An updated comparison of FL-1A equivalents

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This was first posted over at www.ford-trucks.com in the oil forum there. This Ford Truck Enthusiast site is also known as FTE.

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I cut some "virgin" filters open... a FL-1A and a bunch of its equivalents. Below are the measurements I took of the filter elements.

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Pleat # Element Element

Filter Depth Pleats Width Area

Baldwin B2-HPG 0.719 61 3.75 328.83

Professional's Choice Q1A 0.719 62 3.69 328.65

Supertech ST8A 0.719 62 3.50 311.94

Motorcraft FL-1A 0.719 56 3.75 301.88

Denso 150-1004 0.719 52 3.88 289.66

Baldwin B2 0.719 51 3.69 270.34

Donaldson P169071 0.719 49 3.75 264.14

Donaldson P550008 0.625 56 3.50 245.00

Fram TG8A 0.656 45 4.13 243.63

Fram XG8A 0.781 36 3.50 196.88

Fram PH8A 0.625 35 4.13 180.47


Here are some notes to consider:

The Baldwin B2-HPG, the Donaldson P169071 and the Fram XG8A are special filters - they have very high quality synthetic elements. If a Purolator PureOne was included here, it would be in this select group. My understanding is that the FL-1A element is either similar or the same as the PureOne, and if so, it should be included in this group. In particular, the P169071 and the XG8A appear to have very high quality elements - they are thicker than the others, and look very different. In fact, every aspect of these two filters appears to be top-flight, no expense spared.

The Professional's Choice is a private label Purolator (the FL-1A is also made by Purolator, but to Ford's exact specs).

The SuperTech is WalMart's "house" brand and is made by Champion. It is one of their new "E-Core" filters and appears to be quite a good buy... it's the least expensive of this group, yet look at the surface area of the element. It appears to be well made, even though it has fiber endcaps like the two Frams discussed below.

The Denso is a Japanese brand and it appears to be a high-quality filter, too. It comes with the gasket pre-lubed. I understand it has a cellulose media

The two remaining Frams, the TG8A and the PH8A, are controversial because of their fiberboard endcaps and their limited surface area, especially the PH8A. The TG8A has a better bypass design and more surface area than the PH8A, but at a higher cost. The PH8A is known for having a relatively ineffective anti-drainback valve (ADBV), and the TG8A uses a more supple silicone ADBV in an attempt to rectify the problem. It's my opinion that if the PH8A isn't causing excessive valvetrain noise in your engine at start-up, it will do an good job filtering your oil, but its limited surface area, coupled with average media, means it really is only probably good for 3,000 miles and no more. The TG8A is likely able to go somewhat further, perhaps 5,000 miles, at most. In contrast, the high-end XG8A is touted as a 7,000 mile filter, and I have no reason to doubt that.

I'm no expert, but I've done my best to give the most objective comments I can. Please feel free to comment and impart your knowledge if I need to be corrected.

I hope this will prove helpful!

Last time, I posted first here and linked to it over at FTE, but the forum software is not very easy for me to work with, and the link to BITOG was not operative for some at FTE. TallPaul is pretty active over there, as well as some other BITOGers.
 
I'm surprised that no one has had any corrections or comments...
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Originally posted by Big O Dave:
I'm surprised that no one has had any corrections or comments...
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That's because motor oil's motor oil & a filter's a filter.
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Why didn't you include a Mobil 1 M1-301 in your comparison? Was it simply too cost prohibitive?
 
Thank you, Dave.

I find it odd that the ST has more media area then most of the other offerings that cost quite a bit more. It's a shame we can't get beta spec's on it to see if the media is on par with the others.
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Wavin, I simply didn't think about the M1 filter. I'll go get one and cut it open. I'll get a PureOne, too.

I think this weekend I'll take some photos and post them for all to see.

Gary, maybe I'll call techs for each of the filter manufacturers in my comparison and see if I can get beta info, and I'll add it to the chart. Better yet, I'll get my daughter to do it.
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She needs to learn what's interesting to me - after all, I listen to her patiently as she tells me about Blythe dolls.
 
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Originally posted by Big O Dave:
I'll get a PureOne, too.

Great. The PureOne, as well as Premium Plus and Maxlife filters, would be interesting comparisons to the Motorcraft, since they all are made by Purolator.
 
May sounds like a strange request, but can you tell me the diameter of the FL-1A at its widest (the ring where it's crimped)? I've got the FL-400 equivilent Purolator on now, and I'd run the L30001 (FL-1A equivilent) but it touches my timing belt cover which make me uncomfortable. Essentially, I'm looking for the FL-1A equivilent with the smallest diameter. Smallest one I can find so far is the Napa & Wix 1515, but if the Motorcraft is same (3.66") or smaller, I'd prefer it.

Thanks.
Dave
 
Has anyone done the amsoil version of this, the SDF-15? Curious how they compare to the others especially the mobile 1.
 
I recently got some additional info about a couple of these filters from the manufacturer. This info was influential in me making my buying decision. Perhaps it will be for you too. FYI - I bought several of the Baldwin B2-HPG for my Ford and B1432 for the 5.3L GMC. I had trouble formatting so I hope it makes sense.

The parameters are listed in the following order:

Brand & Part #
Cost
Beta rating
Dirt Holding Capacity
Hydrostatic Burst Rating
Flow rate, if available

Baldwin B2
2 @12 microns or 50%
75 @ 30 microns or 98.67%
20g
200psi
Flow rate = 1.4gpm @ 3psi, 3gpm @ 5psi, 5gpm @ 10psi, 7.5gpm @ 15psi, 9gpm @ 20psi, 11gpm @ 25psi


Baldwin B2-HPG
$8.50
2 @ 6 microns or 50%
75 @ 22 microns or 98.67%
19g
200psi
Flow rate = 2gpm @ 3psi, 3gpm @ 5psi, 6gpm @ 15psi, 9gpm @ 25psi


Donaldson P169071
$14.70
2 @ 7 microns or 50%
75 @ 22 microns or 98.67%
38g
200psi

Donaldson P550008
NA
2 @ 20 microns or 50%
20 @ 35 microns or 95%
30g
200psi

Baldwin
B1432
2 @12 microns or 50%
75 @ 30 microns or 98.67%
12.1g
300psi

Donaldson
P550505
NA
2 @25 microns or 50%
75 @ 40 microns or 98.67%
NA
300psi
 
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