Amsoil makes great products, do not go by advertising for any oil. Run the stuff and get an analysis and see for yourself.
Amsoil, what are your thoughts?
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I think they charge so much for their product that their consumers convince themselves it is superior. Not saying it is low quality oil, and it might actually be right there with the big guys...but all the mystery and the MLM have always made me look at it as being "scamsoil".
"Better than XYZ."
Based on what?
A hope and a prayer?
A voice in the wind?
A little blue bird?
A dream?
Based on what?
A hope and a prayer?
A voice in the wind?
A little blue bird?
A dream?
i love amsoil.....and my local napa carries everything i need
I would agree. Amsoil keeps their customers informed. I have been a PC for 6 years. We had an Echo on the one year oil change. I used the eao filters. I received a notice in the mail that the 1 yr interval was not applicable to this application due to sludge formation. I was told to change the filter every 6 mos. My son still has this same car and we are using Amsoil on the one year interval with no issues.
Amsoil has been at the forfront in dealing with fuel dilution issues in gasoline and diesel apps. I have a 2005 Duramax diesel running the bypass filtration and no oil change in 50k miles. I use the Series 3000 5w-30 Diesel oil.
Amsoil has been at the forfront in dealing with fuel dilution issues in gasoline and diesel apps. I have a 2005 Duramax diesel running the bypass filtration and no oil change in 50k miles. I use the Series 3000 5w-30 Diesel oil.
Originally Posted By: HangerHarley
We need an AMSOIL vs Mobil1.
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We've been doing UOA testing on Amsoil versus....
Motorcraft
Castrol
Mobil 1
in the GT500 5.4L supercharged engine.
Guess what....nothing testing in that engine to date has performed as well as Amsoil. The other lubricants have higher metal wear ppm, higher % of shearing, lower ZDDP, lower TBN, etc....
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Amsoil has a licensed API oil. It's their XL-7500 series...
Don't forget about their new OE line. It's API SM/SN, ILSAC, and Dexos certified.
Originally Posted By: kemo
definitely not a fan of the way amsoil is sold, nor the lies that many dealers spout out of their mouths to get you to buy their product. Personally, I feel that if it was as good as it is claimed to be, they wouldn't need to tell us blatant lies to get us to buy it.
I don’t have to lie to sell the product, I simply use real world testing results. The UOAs speak for themselves.
Originally Posted By: kemo
It is easily one of the most expensive oils in Minnesota at this time, if not the most expensive that is readily available to the consumer at Fleet Farm and Napa.
I disagree that is more expensive. You can buy it at dealer cost by becoming a preferred customer. This makes it competitive with other top name brands. If you use it as intended, it’s actually cheaper per year to use Amsoil than other top brands.
Originally Posted By: kemo
Many dealers have websites that are filled with lies... such as:
"In fact, we know of several major NASCAR and Indy racing teams that use AMSOIL in their race cars yet the oil sponsors logo on the hood and quarter panels is not what is in the vehicle! They want you to believe it is..... but it isn't. Fact is, every successful major race car in the world uses synthetics, and an extremely large percentage of them use AMSOIL synthetics. We know exactly who these racing teams are but are not permitted to advertise who they are because they have such a large amount of money at stake with their sponsors wanting the public to believe they are using the brand of oil that is is advertised on the car."
Well, once again….you are wrong. You are welcome to watch the video attached to the link below. See what race car driver Bobby Unser admits about his Valvoline sponsorship from years ago. Now that he is out of the game, he is open about what he was actually using, despite what logo was on the side of his car.
Bobby Unser uses Amsoil I just found a random cut video from YouTube. I figured the original unedited version would be too long.
Originally Posted By: kemo
The big red flag is where they say that they aren't allowed to tell who they are. Amsoil would NOT allow a company like Mobil 1 or Pennzoil or Quaker State to claim the bragging rights if said car won.
Of course they would/did, and it is still happening today.
HAHA! How does your foot taste?
Originally Posted By: kemo
Our local Oreilly used to sell it, I asked one of the workers what happened to the other amsoil products (after seeing a quart on the counter), she said "amsoil doesn't stand behind their product, so we aren't going to sell that garbage here"...
Bogus! Unless you live in the Midwest, no other O’reilly’s ever sold Amsoil. If it is one of the rare stores in reference here, I highly doubt the store attendant knew what she was talking about. “Amsoil doesn’t stand behind their products.” LOL! Best one I’ve heard from you all day.
Originally Posted By: kemo
Last but not least, my last gripe about amsoil... they brag via cheesy bar graphs, from "independent" labs... but they don't actually show the REAL results... just bar graphs that even the average Joe could compile to make everyone else look bad.
You mean the graphs that make understanding the results easier for those who have no clue about lubricant testing and methods? The results are included on the graph. What else do you need?
I will say this again….I rely on UOAs to tell me what I need to know about Amsoil. So far, nothing I’ve seen a UOA on in a Shelby GT500 engine comes close.
We need an AMSOIL vs Mobil1.
We've been doing UOA testing on Amsoil versus....
Motorcraft
Castrol
Mobil 1
in the GT500 5.4L supercharged engine.
Guess what....nothing testing in that engine to date has performed as well as Amsoil. The other lubricants have higher metal wear ppm, higher % of shearing, lower ZDDP, lower TBN, etc....
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Amsoil has a licensed API oil. It's their XL-7500 series...
Don't forget about their new OE line. It's API SM/SN, ILSAC, and Dexos certified.
Originally Posted By: kemo
definitely not a fan of the way amsoil is sold, nor the lies that many dealers spout out of their mouths to get you to buy their product. Personally, I feel that if it was as good as it is claimed to be, they wouldn't need to tell us blatant lies to get us to buy it.
I don’t have to lie to sell the product, I simply use real world testing results. The UOAs speak for themselves.
Originally Posted By: kemo
It is easily one of the most expensive oils in Minnesota at this time, if not the most expensive that is readily available to the consumer at Fleet Farm and Napa.
I disagree that is more expensive. You can buy it at dealer cost by becoming a preferred customer. This makes it competitive with other top name brands. If you use it as intended, it’s actually cheaper per year to use Amsoil than other top brands.
Originally Posted By: kemo
Many dealers have websites that are filled with lies... such as:
"In fact, we know of several major NASCAR and Indy racing teams that use AMSOIL in their race cars yet the oil sponsors logo on the hood and quarter panels is not what is in the vehicle! They want you to believe it is..... but it isn't. Fact is, every successful major race car in the world uses synthetics, and an extremely large percentage of them use AMSOIL synthetics. We know exactly who these racing teams are but are not permitted to advertise who they are because they have such a large amount of money at stake with their sponsors wanting the public to believe they are using the brand of oil that is is advertised on the car."
Well, once again….you are wrong. You are welcome to watch the video attached to the link below. See what race car driver Bobby Unser admits about his Valvoline sponsorship from years ago. Now that he is out of the game, he is open about what he was actually using, despite what logo was on the side of his car.
Bobby Unser uses Amsoil I just found a random cut video from YouTube. I figured the original unedited version would be too long.
Originally Posted By: kemo
The big red flag is where they say that they aren't allowed to tell who they are. Amsoil would NOT allow a company like Mobil 1 or Pennzoil or Quaker State to claim the bragging rights if said car won.
Of course they would/did, and it is still happening today.
HAHA! How does your foot taste?
Originally Posted By: kemo
Our local Oreilly used to sell it, I asked one of the workers what happened to the other amsoil products (after seeing a quart on the counter), she said "amsoil doesn't stand behind their product, so we aren't going to sell that garbage here"...
Bogus! Unless you live in the Midwest, no other O’reilly’s ever sold Amsoil. If it is one of the rare stores in reference here, I highly doubt the store attendant knew what she was talking about. “Amsoil doesn’t stand behind their products.” LOL! Best one I’ve heard from you all day.
Originally Posted By: kemo
Last but not least, my last gripe about amsoil... they brag via cheesy bar graphs, from "independent" labs... but they don't actually show the REAL results... just bar graphs that even the average Joe could compile to make everyone else look bad.
You mean the graphs that make understanding the results easier for those who have no clue about lubricant testing and methods? The results are included on the graph. What else do you need?
I will say this again….I rely on UOAs to tell me what I need to know about Amsoil. So far, nothing I’ve seen a UOA on in a Shelby GT500 engine comes close.
Hi,
kemo - You said this in referring to Amsoil:
"Long story short, I avoid it, I'm a mobil 1 guy."
We all have opinions and preferences of course but as a new BITOG Member perhaps your Post in here does your credibility no favours!
There are no magic oils regardless of the Brands and I suspect that Amsoil do make some good products
kemo - You said this in referring to Amsoil:
"Long story short, I avoid it, I'm a mobil 1 guy."
We all have opinions and preferences of course but as a new BITOG Member perhaps your Post in here does your credibility no favours!
There are no magic oils regardless of the Brands and I suspect that Amsoil do make some good products
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Originally Posted By: Unleashedbeast
Originally Posted By: kemo
Many dealers have websites that are filled with lies... such as:
"In fact, we know of several major NASCAR and Indy racing teams that use AMSOIL in their race cars yet the oil sponsors logo on the hood and quarter panels is not what is in the vehicle! They want you to believe it is..... but it isn't. Fact is, every successful major race car in the world uses synthetics, and an extremely large percentage of them use AMSOIL synthetics. We know exactly who these racing teams are but are not permitted to advertise who they are because they have such a large amount of money at stake with their sponsors wanting the public to believe they are using the brand of oil that is is advertised on the car."
Well, once again….you are wrong. You are welcome to watch the video attached to the link below. See what race car driver Bobby Unser admits about his Valvoline sponsorship from years ago. Now that he is out of the game, he is open about what he was actually using, despite what logo was on the side of his car.
Bobby Unser uses Amsoil I just found a random cut video from YouTube. I figured the original unedited version would be too long.
Originally Posted By: kemo
The big red flag is where they say that they aren't allowed to tell who they are. Amsoil would NOT allow a company like Mobil 1 or Pennzoil or Quaker State to claim the bragging rights if said car won.
Of course they would/did, and it is still happening today.
HAHA! How does your foot taste?
That video is NOT talking about IRL today, or even NASCAR today. There is still 0% evidence in your post that they use amsoil in any of the top 3 levels of nascar, or IRL. The quote specifically says that they know who is using AMSOIL... still waiting for an answer on what teams are, along with the proof.
Typical of the amsoil brigade... "attack attack attack"
Originally Posted By: kemo
Many dealers have websites that are filled with lies... such as:
"In fact, we know of several major NASCAR and Indy racing teams that use AMSOIL in their race cars yet the oil sponsors logo on the hood and quarter panels is not what is in the vehicle! They want you to believe it is..... but it isn't. Fact is, every successful major race car in the world uses synthetics, and an extremely large percentage of them use AMSOIL synthetics. We know exactly who these racing teams are but are not permitted to advertise who they are because they have such a large amount of money at stake with their sponsors wanting the public to believe they are using the brand of oil that is is advertised on the car."
Well, once again….you are wrong. You are welcome to watch the video attached to the link below. See what race car driver Bobby Unser admits about his Valvoline sponsorship from years ago. Now that he is out of the game, he is open about what he was actually using, despite what logo was on the side of his car.
Bobby Unser uses Amsoil I just found a random cut video from YouTube. I figured the original unedited version would be too long.
Originally Posted By: kemo
The big red flag is where they say that they aren't allowed to tell who they are. Amsoil would NOT allow a company like Mobil 1 or Pennzoil or Quaker State to claim the bragging rights if said car won.
Of course they would/did, and it is still happening today.
HAHA! How does your foot taste?
That video is NOT talking about IRL today, or even NASCAR today. There is still 0% evidence in your post that they use amsoil in any of the top 3 levels of nascar, or IRL. The quote specifically says that they know who is using AMSOIL... still waiting for an answer on what teams are, along with the proof.
Typical of the amsoil brigade... "attack attack attack"
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I will not get into brand bashing debates, but I'm using Amsoil and I love the stuff!
Originally Posted By: kemo
Typical of the amsoil brigade... "attack attack attack"
Really? The attack is normally from those who insist that the primary grades of Mobil 1 syn are still the same top tier formulation it was 10 years ago. We already know, this isn't true.
Typical of the amsoil brigade... "attack attack attack"
Really? The attack is normally from those who insist that the primary grades of Mobil 1 syn are still the same top tier formulation it was 10 years ago. We already know, this isn't true.
Hi,
Unleashedbeast - You said this:
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"We've been doing UOA testing on Amsoil versus....
Motorcraft
Castrol
Mobil 1
The UOAs speak for themselves.
I will say this again….I rely on UOAs to tell me what I need to know about Amsoil. So far, nothing I’ve seen a UOA on in a Shelby GT500 engine comes close."
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Please show us all these UOA results and enlighten us on the methodology used. I for one would be very interested!!
No doubt the UOAs will include PO Index, OC and the tear down measure up results. Great stuff!!
Unleashedbeast - You said this:
STARTS
"We've been doing UOA testing on Amsoil versus....
Motorcraft
Castrol
Mobil 1
The UOAs speak for themselves.
I will say this again….I rely on UOAs to tell me what I need to know about Amsoil. So far, nothing I’ve seen a UOA on in a Shelby GT500 engine comes close."
ENDS
Please show us all these UOA results and enlighten us on the methodology used. I for one would be very interested!!
No doubt the UOAs will include PO Index, OC and the tear down measure up results. Great stuff!!
I think a lot to do with a UOA report has to do with which oil team you're rooting for. Assuming there is no coolant of excessive fuel present. LOL
EG: Oil A shows 10 PPM iron for a 5000 mile run.
Oil B shows 13 PPM iron for the same run. Quick math says oil A protected wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better. LOL
Now if oil B is the favorite oil of the person posting, the numbers then become meaningless. Which they were anyway. What a paid NASCAR spokesman says is meaningless, what a salesman says is meaningless, it's all advertising hype and nothing else. Charts, graphs, and sales literature published by an oil company doesn't mean much either. What company is going to depict their product as garbage in a publication designed to sell their products? What someone like Doug Hillary an expert in the industry says, or one of the engine builders says has a lot more meaning!
Same can be said for 20 grade oil vs 30 grade oil, or anything else for that matter.
I've learned a lot on this board from Doug, and a few other respected members here. Tear downs and measurements mean everything, not a few PPM or iron in a report.
Amsoil makes some great oils no doubt, but then again so do many of the other oil companies. Amsoil shines for extended drains, run a normal OCI and honestly there's no difference at all. Please note I was not bashing any products in this thread, and no animals were injured, harmed, or killed while writing this post.
EG: Oil A shows 10 PPM iron for a 5000 mile run.
Oil B shows 13 PPM iron for the same run. Quick math says oil A protected wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better. LOL
Now if oil B is the favorite oil of the person posting, the numbers then become meaningless. Which they were anyway. What a paid NASCAR spokesman says is meaningless, what a salesman says is meaningless, it's all advertising hype and nothing else. Charts, graphs, and sales literature published by an oil company doesn't mean much either. What company is going to depict their product as garbage in a publication designed to sell their products? What someone like Doug Hillary an expert in the industry says, or one of the engine builders says has a lot more meaning!
Same can be said for 20 grade oil vs 30 grade oil, or anything else for that matter.
I've learned a lot on this board from Doug, and a few other respected members here. Tear downs and measurements mean everything, not a few PPM or iron in a report.
Amsoil makes some great oils no doubt, but then again so do many of the other oil companies. Amsoil shines for extended drains, run a normal OCI and honestly there's no difference at all. Please note I was not bashing any products in this thread, and no animals were injured, harmed, or killed while writing this post.
UOA's to pick an oil are just a very marginal tool. Single UOA's are like driving a nail with a hack saw.
I've yet to see ANYONE post on BITOG without bias. It's motor oil. People root for their teams, or root against other teams. I admit and show my bias. Some here don't.
I've read some real skank in in this thread. I will not address most of it because it's just foul. My good thoughts are: Amsoil formulates, makes and sells great products. But they are like ALL the other oil companies, last I checked, in the game to make money. So trust me, you won't get a $30/qt of oil for $8.
I've yet to see ANYONE post on BITOG without bias. It's motor oil. People root for their teams, or root against other teams. I admit and show my bias. Some here don't.
I've read some real skank in in this thread. I will not address most of it because it's just foul. My good thoughts are: Amsoil formulates, makes and sells great products. But they are like ALL the other oil companies, last I checked, in the game to make money. So trust me, you won't get a $30/qt of oil for $8.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
But they are like ALL the other oil companies, last I checked, in the game to make money.
That says it all! That's business, and the company with the most money wins. Which BTW might not mean they're the best either, just the best at marketing and selling. The problem is there are a lot of people who take marketing hype from oil compaines, or a company sponsor collecting a paycheck as Gospel. I find that very amusing.
But they are like ALL the other oil companies, last I checked, in the game to make money.
That says it all! That's business, and the company with the most money wins. Which BTW might not mean they're the best either, just the best at marketing and selling. The problem is there are a lot of people who take marketing hype from oil compaines, or a company sponsor collecting a paycheck as Gospel. I find that very amusing.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Pablo
But they are like ALL the other oil companies, last I checked, in the game to make money.
That says it all! That's business, and the company with the most money wins. Which BTW might not mean they're the best either, just the best at marketing and selling. The problem is there are a lot of people who take marketing hype from oil compaines, or a company sponsor collecting a paycheck as Gospel. I find that very amusing.
And there are people who believe Castrol commercials or stuff they read on on BITOG about Castrol and engine cleanliness as gospel as well. I find that really hilarious. Amsoil just is an easier target because they come across as hokey at times, and BP, Exxon Mobil, SOPUS hire the pros.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
But they are like ALL the other oil companies, last I checked, in the game to make money.
That says it all! That's business, and the company with the most money wins. Which BTW might not mean they're the best either, just the best at marketing and selling. The problem is there are a lot of people who take marketing hype from oil compaines, or a company sponsor collecting a paycheck as Gospel. I find that very amusing.
And there are people who believe Castrol commercials or stuff they read on on BITOG about Castrol and engine cleanliness as gospel as well. I find that really hilarious. Amsoil just is an easier target because they come across as hokey at times, and BP, Exxon Mobil, SOPUS hire the pros.
I have a 2004 civic. I've used all the name brand conventionals, M1, M1EP, Valvoline synthetic, and Pennzoil Ultra. I'm currently about 1 month into a Amsoil XL oil change. So far my "Butt-o-meter" likes the Amsoil. Very smooth and quiet. I know "smooth and quiet" may not mean better protection. But, hey, it makes me feel better. LOL!!!
BTW, my local Carquest sells the Amsoil.
BTW, my local Carquest sells the Amsoil.
Originally Posted By: kender
I have a 2004 civic. I've used all the name brand conventionals, M1, M1EP, Valvoline synthetic, and Pennzoil Ultra. I'm currently about 1 month into a Amsoil XL oil change. So far my "Butt-o-meter" likes the Amsoil. Very smooth and quiet. I know "smooth and quiet" may not mean better protection. But, hey, it makes me feel better. LOL!!!
BTW, my local Carquest sells the Amsoil.
Nice, a local guy sells Amsoil near me, but not SSO. Oh, well.
I have a 2004 civic. I've used all the name brand conventionals, M1, M1EP, Valvoline synthetic, and Pennzoil Ultra. I'm currently about 1 month into a Amsoil XL oil change. So far my "Butt-o-meter" likes the Amsoil. Very smooth and quiet. I know "smooth and quiet" may not mean better protection. But, hey, it makes me feel better. LOL!!!
BTW, my local Carquest sells the Amsoil.
Nice, a local guy sells Amsoil near me, but not SSO. Oh, well.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Pablo
But they are like ALL the other oil companies, last I checked, in the game to make money.
That says it all! That's business, and the company with the most money wins. Which BTW might not mean they're the best either, just the best at marketing and selling. The problem is there are a lot of people who take marketing hype from oil compaines, or a company sponsor collecting a paycheck as Gospel. I find that very amusing.
And there are people who believe Castrol commercials or stuff they read on on BITOG about Castrol and engine cleanliness as gospel as well. I find that really hilarious. Amsoil just is an easier target because they come across as hokey at times, and BP, Exxon Mobil, SOPUS hire the pros.
I never worried much about how clean my engines are. A dose of MMO from time to time keeps them very clean. That and changing oil when I'm supposed too keeps them clean. I worry more about how they sound and run. That seems to bother some people here too! So far Edge has proven to be best at that in two applications I use it in. I base that on my observations and knowing my vehicles. I've been maintaining my vehicles since the 1970's. I worked in a machine shop, parts stores, and auto sales. I know people who've had a lot more experience with oils than I have, and I listen and learn from them too. Doug Hillary comes to mind. His experiences I value, and he's has a lot of testing and positive results from Castrol and Mobil products to name a few. If I feel something else is better I'll make the change. Marketing has little or no impact on me. I learned long ago most of what comes out in print from a company, or from a salesman's mouth is usually [censored]. Honest real world testimony from people in the know is what I'm after.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Pablo
But they are like ALL the other oil companies, last I checked, in the game to make money.
That says it all! That's business, and the company with the most money wins. Which BTW might not mean they're the best either, just the best at marketing and selling. The problem is there are a lot of people who take marketing hype from oil compaines, or a company sponsor collecting a paycheck as Gospel. I find that very amusing.
And there are people who believe Castrol commercials or stuff they read on on BITOG about Castrol and engine cleanliness as gospel as well. I find that really hilarious. Amsoil just is an easier target because they come across as hokey at times, and BP, Exxon Mobil, SOPUS hire the pros.
I never worried much about how clean my engines are. A dose of MMO from time to time keeps them very clean. That and changing oil when I'm supposed too keeps them clean. I worry more about how they sound and run. That seems to bother some people here too! So far Edge has proven to be best at that in two applications I use it in. I base that on my observations and knowing my vehicles. I've been maintaining my vehicles since the 1970's. I worked in a machine shop, parts stores, and auto sales. I know people who've had a lot more experience with oils than I have, and I listen and learn from them too. Doug Hillary comes to mind. His experiences I value, and he's has a lot of testing and positive results from Castrol and Mobil products to name a few. If I feel something else is better I'll make the change. Marketing has little or no impact on me. I learned long ago most of what comes out in print from a company, or from a salesman's mouth is usually [censored]. Honest real world testimony from people in the know is what I'm after.
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