Amsoil OE "Original Equipment" Oils

[galaxy]

Originally Posted By: buster
A lot of people like supporting Amsoil because they are a small private company, which is understandable.


Slightly and respectfully disagree. I've never ever heard anyone say that about Amsoil. Every single person I know running Amsoil does it because they don't mind paying for quality. I've never met a person running for that reason.

I think it'll be very very interesting if someone is running this oil for a factory recommended 10K mile oil change and getting great UOA results...what would this say about the XL?? I agree with the whole good (OE), better (XL), best (ASL, ASM, SSO, etc) theory, but this may turn into an interesting race between the OE and XL and just may place them a little too close together to distinguish. That could really come down to a vs cost only comparison. Would love to see some back to back comparisons between the two but that'll probably be tough to get.

 

[Brons2]

Originally Posted By: buster
I see no point in using this oil when better oils can be had for the same or less money.


Which oils are you speaking of?

[edit]I would be interested in OE if I could get it for around $5 a quart total including all taxes and delivery cost.

 

[Camu Mahubah]

Originally Posted By: CompSyn


We can only hope that the mods will step in and make BITOG a Pennzoil and Mobil 1 only discussion forum.



I hope that was sarcasm.

 

[LargeCarManX2]

Originally Posted By: buster
I see no point in using this oil when better oils can be had for the same or less money.


Buster...shame on you! Now, you need to run Amsoil OE next too the oils you are talking about to make this claim. Run the standard UOA...and...if you are right hammer down.

 

[CompSyn]

Originally Posted By: LargeCarManX2
Originally Posted By: buster
I see no point in using this oil when better oils can be had for the same or less money.


Buster...shame on you! Now, you need to run Amsoil OE next too the oils you are talking about to make this claim. Run the standard UOA...and...if you are right hammer down.


With the introduction of the price and performance competitive Amsoil OE, the bottom of the barrel is being reached with regard to those wishing to illegitimatize the company, and the products.

It's been said that OE will perform equal to or better than the XL 7500 of old, which that product brought us nice used oil analysis and a loyal following. Amsoil has shown us that it's capable of producing solid performing Group III based motor oils, and won't fail us with this one.

 

[DragRace]

It's too bad I've already dumped in a new batch of Redline for the winter,otherwise I'd buy up some of this Amsoil OE and run it,just to see how good this oil performs under extremely cold winter conditions

 

[buster]

Has nothing to do with it actually. It's definitely a competitively priced oil and I have no doubt it is of high quality. I just think there are a lot of options out there today that are of equal or better value.

CompSyn, how good do you think the XL line is?

 

[DragRace]

Originally Posted By: buster
Has nothing to do with it actually. It's definitely a competitively priced oil and I have no doubt it is of high quality. I just think there are a lot of options out there today that are of equal or better value.


Not sure how you can say this,as there has been no used oil analysis or anything that even shows how this new formula does in the real world.

 

[buster]

True, I'm just going by spec's. I'm sure it's very good. It meets dexos1/SN.

 

[Capa]

Buster is mainly repeating the opinion of many here that while Amsoil is a quality product there are oil choices that are as good and cheaper for the majority of users on BITOG.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: DragRace
Originally Posted By: buster
Has nothing to do with it actually. It's definitely a competitively priced oil and I have no doubt it is of high quality. I just think there are a lot of options out there today that are of equal or better value.


Not sure how you can say this,as there has been no used oil analysis or anything that even shows how this new formula does in the real world.


+1 Why not wait and see? They are making a cheaper oil to compete. Just because it wears the Amsoil name doesn't mean anything at all. Once it is in use and the reports are out then comments about how good it is can be made. Until then it's anyones guess. JMO

 

[CompSyn]

Originally Posted By: buster
Has nothing to do with it actually. It's definitely a competitively priced oil and I have no doubt it is of high quality. I just think there are a lot of options out there today that are of equal or better value.

CompSyn, how good do you think the XL line is?


I think its about as good as any Group III on the market. There's a lot of good options, Amsoil XL being one of them.

I’ve used the XL 7500 5W-20 and 10w30 in a couple of vehicles and was not disappointed. Didn’t do any used oil analysis but the oil(s) seemed to hold up well.

In addition, a hand full of used oil analysis come to mind that I think show Amsoil’s ability to formulate nice performing Group IIIs.

Example:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/amsoil-5w30-xl-7500-4-458-miles-04-sunfire.68939/

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/amsoil-xl-5w20-5-565-miles-04-sunfire.78404/

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/amsoil-5w20xl-6907mi-04-sunfire.89267/

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/amsoil-xl-5w-20-6449-miles-04-sunfire.104340/

I think the track record from XL 7500 (SM/GF-4) would seem to indicate it’s reasonable at this time to have high hopes for OE (SN/GF-5) and not down play it before it has a chance to actually prove itself.

 

[Spyder7]

I'll stick to my Walmart rollbacks where in any given day, over a 2 or 3 month period, I can always count on dirt cheap prices on my choice of Pennzoil conventional, Castrol GTX, Quaker State conventional, and Valvoline conventional for dino. For syn I've gotten lucky on both PP and Syntec before, but I'm not a "syn" only user and will skip it if the price is too high - this is exactly where Amsoil OE will be as I don't see it ever competing price wise with the other oils.

Barring long OCIs, the more you look at different oils the more they look the same. Some variation, but nothing drastic, and definitely not if its already GF-5, which is going to be good regardless of whether they call it conventional or synthetic (with the quality of base oils needed to meet that spec, I think the line between conventional and synthetic are becoming increasingly blurred, and its no surprise to me that companies who once taunted Group IIIs as being "fake synthetic" are suddenly embracing it themselves).

JMHO.

-Spyder

 

[wiswind]

As for "all the Amsoil threads" I can understand that.
However, if one is tired of them, just keep scrolling.
Entering this room, this thread was about the 9th thread down from the last padlocked thread.....but it was the first thread I opened.
I don't use Amsoil, but their OE line is new, so I expect to see a lot of threads about it, and YES....with a lot of repeated information.
I think of it like when I read the newspaper online (or in print), I don't read MOST of the paper, but read what I find interesting and pass the rest by.
I have nothing against the threads that I scrolled past, they are not interesting to me, but are interesting to others.

I have seen NOTHING on this website like how the media rehashes the same old junk over and over.

As for the OE line, I will be interested to see how this works out......they are at a VERY competitive price point.
This is a price that might sell well at the oil change joints.
I wonder if they could bring the price down a little by selling in a 5 quart container?
Also, this is a price point that might get it onto the shelves of more local stores.
I have seen Amsoil at Fleet Farm in Wisconsin.

Some time ago Advance Auto Parts was selling Redline and it did not do well for them.
At the time, Redline was around $8 or so a quart.....not a price point that sold well for them.

Napa and Carquest are independantly owned and I am sure that folks like Pablo know if it is a good idea to approach those stores.
A LOT....MAJOR majority of the oil sell market is folks that want to walk in and pick it up off the shelf.
However, again, the majority are price sensitive.
Amsoil for around $5 or $6 would certainly catch their eye.
A lot of people have heard the Amsoil name and identify it with quality.

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: Spyder7
I'll stick to my Walmart rollbacks where in any given day, over a 2 or 3 month period, I can always count on dirt cheap prices on my choice of Pennzoil conventional, Castrol GTX, Quaker State conventional, and Valvoline conventional for dino. For syn I've gotten lucky on both PP and Syntec before, but I'm not a "syn" only user and will skip it if the price is too high - this is exactly where Amsoil OE will be as I don't see it ever competing price wise with the other oils.

Barring long OCIs, the more you look at different oils the more they look the same. Some variation, but nothing drastic, and definitely not if its already GF-5, which is going to be good regardless of whether they call it conventional or synthetic (with the quality of base oils needed to meet that spec, I think the line between conventional and synthetic are becoming increasingly blurred, and its no surprise to me that companies who once taunted Group IIIs as being "fake synthetic" are suddenly embracing it themselves).

JMHO.

-Spyder


+1

 

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted By: HollowEyes
You know, if I can find this local (not having an Amsoil account) this becomes a quite competitively priced synthetic oil.


Honestly, while I do keep an eye on what the Amsoil folks are doing, I have yet to seriously consider buying their products. There are a lot of very impressive products on the market. And the makers of Amsoil consistently opt to use inappropriate test procedures, like the 4 ball wear test, to market their products. If their oils were really superior they would not have to resort to that. Instead, they dodge submitting their products to the standardized testing that other companies' oils endure. And simply claim that passing those stringent tests would have a detrimental effect on the quality of their oils.

Instead, they seem to care more about maintaining a slick marketing department, and maintaining good multilevel marketing contact with private retailing folks who will defend them on niche sites like this one.

I prefer not to buy from a company which engages in the practices that Amsoil does. Which is not to say that I'm particularly in love with corps like Exxon-Mobil or SOPUS. And I have my gripes about Mobil's excessive policy of secrecy. But at worst, they at least restrict themselves to sometimes concealing the truth, as opposed to the outright deception in which Amsoil engages.

Sincerely,
Steve Bergman

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: sbergman27

And the makers of Amsoil consistently opt to use inappropriate test procedures, like the 4 ball wear test, to market their products.


Actually the 4 ball test is an ASTM procedure. But - you used "procedures" - plural. What other procedures?

Originally Posted By: sbergman27
....they dodge submitting their products to the standardized testing that other companies' oils endure. And simply claim that passing those stringent tests would have a detrimental effect on the quality of their oils.


Actually OE oils are full API SN GF-5. Not sure what your point is, but Amsoil has never claimed "passing those stringent tests would have a detrimental effect on the quality of their oils." Maybe quote where they have said this???

Originally Posted By: sbergman27
Instead, they seem to care more about maintaining a slick marketing department, and maintaining good multilevel marketing contact with private retailing folks who will defend them on niche sites like this one.


Got some proof of this? I deal in the truth, Amsoil deals in the truth. You assert these things, some backing data would be great.

Originally Posted By: sbergman27
I prefer not to buy from a company which engages in the practices that Amsoil does.....the outright deception in which Amsoil engages.

Sincerely,
Steve Bergman


Deception? Like bait and switch? Something more illegal than that, maybe?? Hmm.....if you are handing out indictments, maybe you should fill in the details.

Man - I'm all for opinions! But you can't just say stuff and not expect some feedback - especially if it's not true.

 

[Joshusmc]

If I were a betting man, I would guess "OE" will pass the 4 ball test with much better numbers than anything else out there. But until I see the test results...