AMSOIL : Guarantee engine failure ?

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: bamorris2
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
I found it!

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...true#Post553013

My take on the matter stands - a warranty is a written contract. Don't change the oil, or have proof you did, and you better be ready to sue the manufacturer into the ground to even get them to acknowledge you exist. Read the owner's manual! A judge sure will...


Wow, what a long and interesting read! I'd love to see a follow-up from her if she ever sued Ford for the $2000 that she was out. I certainly would of!


Why? You'd lose.

 

[mpvue]

Originally Posted By: harley145000
My 07 camary warranty says 6 months or 5,000 miles for oil change,ill stick with that.


camary? is that the new chevy coupe w/ yellow feathers?

sorry, couldn't resist.

personally, I think people fret over oil changes too much (am I allowed to say that here?)
sorry, engines don't fail from old oil. I've had engines w/ black sludge on the dipstick still running. I had a 350 chevy w/ so much crud around the rockers you couldn't see the drainback holes. I tore apart a running 283 that had lifters stuck so bad they had to be hammered out. I had a saturn that was run down to a qt so many times I lost count; it was still running when I swapped it out.
I run amsoil in my cars now because I feel it provides superior lubrication and I can run it longer. I don't care one way or the other about the warranty; my feeling is that it's easy to offer because they won't get taken up on it.
as for that motorhome, well, if an engine fails because the oil hasn't been changed in 7K, well, that engine is a PO S. there was plenty of evidence presented there that those engines were known for bad bearings. just one more reason I don't own fords.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: mpvue
Originally Posted By: harley145000
My 07 camary warranty says 6 months or 5,000 miles for oil change,ill stick with that.


camary? is that the new chevy coupe w/ yellow feathers?

sorry, couldn't resist.

personally, I think people fret over oil changes too much (am I allowed to say that here?)
sorry, engines don't fail from old oil. I've had engines w/ black sludge on the dipstick still running. I had a 350 chevy w/ so much crud around the rockers you couldn't see the drainback holes. I tore apart a running 283 that had lifters stuck so bad they had to be hammered out. I had a saturn that was run down to a qt so many times I lost count; it was still running when I swapped it out.
I run amsoil in my cars now because I feel it provides superior lubrication and I can run it longer. I don't care one way or the other about the warranty; my feeling is that it's easy to offer because they won't get taken up on it.
as for that motorhome, well, if an engine fails because the oil hasn't been changed in 7K, well, that engine is a PO S. there was plenty of evidence presented there that those engines were known for bad bearings. just one more reason I don't own fords.


No, you just own a vehicle made by a company Ford owns a majority share in........Mazda.

There is a MASSIVE difference between a MOTORHOME and a sub-2000lb Saturn in terms of how much load is being put on that engine.

But hey, I watched a 350 throw a rod through the side on an over-rev with Mobil 1 in the sump, does that make me automatically assume that they were [censored] engines? After all, they were known to oval their bores and their firing order pounds the rod bearings on the 1st two cylinders, hence the reason the LSx series engines have the same cylinder firing order as the Ford 302HO/351W/4.6L/5.4L....etc.

But I digress, I'm simply the owner of a few 302's from a family that has had nothing but spectacular luck with Ford's going right back to the Model A, what do I know compared to somebody judging an engine failure based on speculation and rhetoric in a thread on the Internet.

I may not be a GM fan, but I won't call their engines [censored]. Guess that's the difference between a Ford guy and a GM guy.

 

[65cuda]

On my 05 Grand Caravan I still change the oil and filter and follow the factory schedule even though I am using PP. Don't like changing every 3000 miles, but since that is the rule I'll do it. I cut the fronts out of each bottle and the box label from the filter and record the date and milage. Hopefully if there is a problem it will be enough. If not then I'll probably not make the same mistake of a aftermarket warranty.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: 65cuda
On my 05 Grand Caravan I still change the oil and filter and follow the factory schedule even though I am using PP. Don't like changing every 3000 miles, but since that is the rule I'll do it. I cut the fronts out of each bottle and the box label from the filter and record the date and milage. Hopefully if there is a problem it will be enough. If not then I'll probably not make the same mistake of a aftermarket warranty.


I think that should do. Having worked in the auto industry for a brief period, and listening to the [censored] that went on when something broke that wasn't cut and dry I guess it made me a little more "cautious". If you leave a manufacturer a way out of making good on a big claim they are going to use that way out.

There could be the best oil in the world along with the best filter, and if the OCI is 6 months or 6K and they can prove that you had that oil in the sump for more than 6 months, or more than 6K, you are going to either be SOL, or in for a good and expensive fight. A UOA could say the oil had 50% of its life left (which would be a big plus), at which point they would probably say yea but its been in the sump for 9 months instead of 6 months. The flip to all this is would an oil company whose oil had 50% life left pay out on some engine failure that "might" be oil related?

In any event, its your car, and they say we're not fixing it because--------? Now its lawyer time, win lose or draw, you're footing the bill. Its just not worth the hassle to me.

BTW- this is in no way an attack on Amzoil's top quality products!

JMO
Frank D

 

[Cutehumor]

here's what you can do. run amsoil yearly. buy store oil and filter for the receipts every 6 months for the warranty. if the engine fails, show the store receipts to the dealer. Use the bought oil on another engine.

 

[mpvue]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: mpvue
Originally Posted By: harley145000
My 07 camary warranty says 6 months or 5,000 miles for oil change,ill stick with that.


camary? is that the new chevy coupe w/ yellow feathers?

sorry, couldn't resist.

personally, I think people fret over oil changes too much (am I allowed to say that here?)
sorry, engines don't fail from old oil. I've had engines w/ black sludge on the dipstick still running. I had a 350 chevy w/ so much crud around the rockers you couldn't see the drainback holes. I tore apart a running 283 that had lifters stuck so bad they had to be hammered out. I had a saturn that was run down to a qt so many times I lost count; it was still running when I swapped it out.
I run amsoil in my cars now because I feel it provides superior lubrication and I can run it longer. I don't care one way or the other about the warranty; my feeling is that it's easy to offer because they won't get taken up on it.
as for that motorhome, well, if an engine fails because the oil hasn't been changed in 7K, well, that engine is a PO S. there was plenty of evidence presented there that those engines were known for bad bearings. just one more reason I don't own fords.


No, you just own a vehicle made by a company Ford owns a majority share in........Mazda.

There is a MASSIVE difference between a MOTORHOME and a sub-2000lb Saturn in terms of how much load is being put on that engine.

But hey, I watched a 350 throw a rod through the side on an over-rev with Mobil 1 in the sump, does that make me automatically assume that they were [censored] engines? After all, they were known to oval their bores and their firing order pounds the rod bearings on the 1st two cylinders, hence the reason the LSx series engines have the same cylinder firing order as the Ford 302HO/351W/4.6L/5.4L....etc.

But I digress, I'm simply the owner of a few 302's from a family that has had nothing but spectacular luck with Ford's going right back to the Model A, what do I know compared to somebody judging an engine failure based on speculation and rhetoric in a thread on the Internet.

I may not be a GM fan, but I won't call their engines [censored]. Guess that's the difference between a Ford guy and a GM guy.


well phrased response, nice job.
I think you would agree, w/o speculation and rhetoric this site would use a lot less bandwidth. me, I don't take it personally when someone rags on a car I own (I don't have loyalties to inanimate objects) and when I make a negative comment about a car, well, that's all it is. still doesn't make sense to me that 7K oil would cause an engine to fail, but hey, fine. I'm glad you enjoy your fords.
btw, my Mazda MPV is a 'real' Mazda, made in Hiroshima, w/ a real Mazda 18V 3.0. no ford content whatsoever. I wouldn't buy a new Mazda w/ a ford engine. and, it would be nice to have a 'sub-2000lb' saturn, but they are more around 2400-2600lbs.

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
here's what you can do. run amsoil yearly. buy store oil and filter for the receipts every 6 months for the warranty. if the engine fails, show the store receipts to the dealer. Use the bought oil on another engine.


Other than *moral* issues, how would you have the Amsoil warranty when they STATE every 6 months that the OP asked about?

Which receipts do you use for Amsoil?

It is a lot simpler just to follow the rules IMO.

Bill

 

[Steve S]

Originally Posted By: 65cuda
On my 05 Grand Caravan I still change the oil and filter and follow the factory schedule even though I am using PP. Don't like changing every 3000 miles, but since that is the rule I'll do it. I cut the fronts out of each bottle and the box label from the filter and record the date and milage. Hopefully if there is a problem it will be enough. If not then I'll probably not make the same mistake of a aftermarket warranty.
Wrong oil for 3,000 mile oil changes.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: mpvue
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: mpvue
Originally Posted By: harley145000
My 07 camary warranty says 6 months or 5,000 miles for oil change,ill stick with that.


camary? is that the new chevy coupe w/ yellow feathers?

sorry, couldn't resist.

personally, I think people fret over oil changes too much (am I allowed to say that here?)
sorry, engines don't fail from old oil. I've had engines w/ black sludge on the dipstick still running. I had a 350 chevy w/ so much crud around the rockers you couldn't see the drainback holes. I tore apart a running 283 that had lifters stuck so bad they had to be hammered out. I had a saturn that was run down to a qt so many times I lost count; it was still running when I swapped it out.
I run amsoil in my cars now because I feel it provides superior lubrication and I can run it longer. I don't care one way or the other about the warranty; my feeling is that it's easy to offer because they won't get taken up on it.
as for that motorhome, well, if an engine fails because the oil hasn't been changed in 7K, well, that engine is a PO S. there was plenty of evidence presented there that those engines were known for bad bearings. just one more reason I don't own fords.


No, you just own a vehicle made by a company Ford owns a majority share in........Mazda.

There is a MASSIVE difference between a MOTORHOME and a sub-2000lb Saturn in terms of how much load is being put on that engine.

But hey, I watched a 350 throw a rod through the side on an over-rev with Mobil 1 in the sump, does that make me automatically assume that they were [censored] engines? After all, they were known to oval their bores and their firing order pounds the rod bearings on the 1st two cylinders, hence the reason the LSx series engines have the same cylinder firing order as the Ford 302HO/351W/4.6L/5.4L....etc.

But I digress, I'm simply the owner of a few 302's from a family that has had nothing but spectacular luck with Ford's going right back to the Model A, what do I know compared to somebody judging an engine failure based on speculation and rhetoric in a thread on the Internet.

I may not be a GM fan, but I won't call their engines [censored]. Guess that's the difference between a Ford guy and a GM guy.


well phrased response, nice job.
I think you would agree, w/o speculation and rhetoric this site would use a lot less bandwidth. me, I don't take it personally when someone rags on a car I own (I don't have loyalties to inanimate objects) and when I make a negative comment about a car, well, that's all it is. still doesn't make sense to me that 7K oil would cause an engine to fail, but hey, fine. I'm glad you enjoy your fords.
btw, my Mazda MPV is a 'real' Mazda, made in Hiroshima, w/ a real Mazda 18V 3.0. no ford content whatsoever. I wouldn't buy a new Mazda w/ a ford engine. and, it would be nice to have a 'sub-2000lb' saturn, but they are more around 2400-2600lbs.


But Ford still owns 40% of Mazda

I was thinking of the SC1, which is 2,200lbs. I thought it was lighter, but apparently that's what it weighs.

 

[Cutehumor]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
here's what you can do. run amsoil yearly. buy store oil and filter for the receipts every 6 months for the warranty. if the engine fails, show the store receipts to the dealer. Use the bought oil on another engine.


Other than *moral* issues, how would you have the Amsoil warranty when they STATE every 6 months that the OP asked about?

Which receipts do you use for Amsoil?

It is a lot simpler just to follow the rules IMO.

Bill



oh ya, I would use their one year warranty. so I'm covered either way. either with the manufacturer or with amsoil.

 

[Bill in Utah]

Quote:
oh ya, I would use their one year warranty. so I'm covered either way. either with the manufacturer or with amsoil. ;\)


Nope. XL is only covered by Amsoil if you do a MAX of 6 month OCIs. They only recommend XL to be run longer *if* the MFG states you can or OLM...

So Amsoil is out.

Bill

 

[Mamala Bay]

Why not just use Amsoil ASL 5w-30.