Amsoil EaO47 Exchange Deal! Wondering? Thinking?

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If you own and are currently running an EaO47 in a 07-08 Suzuki/GM 3.6 V/6 engine, you can exchange it for 2 Wix 57060 filters and a quart of oil....

It's a fair deal from Amsoil. However, a non-recommendation and the reason...These vehicles have a "unique internal characteristic" and this keeps the filter from functioning properly is a tad vague. The EaO 47 is still good to go on other applications.

Anyone know why/reason this filter is faulty is this application?
 
I wish I knew. It's hard to figure how the "unique internal characteristic" of an oil system can alter the function of the filter. I'd really like to learn about it.
 
All I know is in several cases, Suzuki engines sucked and munched the ADBV's....ruining the engines. I have no scientific evidence about how this is even possible.

I was contacted by anon. BITOGer (not a customer) ask about this in the spring. I made some inquiries and gathered little to no info. Then I got a call on the cell asking me "who/what/where/when...." I stated that I heard an dealer (GM/Suzuki) was not going to pay for these engines because of the filter failure (rightly so). AFAIK Amsoil bought these folks new engines. Again these are not my customers, so I really don't know any more than that.

Please - this is NOT some indictment of EaO filters and do not twist this into something it isn't. I post this of my own free will, but if it gets turned into some stupid Amsoil hating witch hunt, then bye-bye on me posting such information, again by my own choice.
 
Pablo, you posted the truth about what you were told about the filters. If all salesmen were as honest, the world would be a better place.
 
Just a little more wondering? How about manufacturing more? I hate vague launguage! Was/is there any additional problems with the EaO88?

AMSOIL EaO88 Oil Filter Discontinued
AMSOIL is currently researching the development of the next generation of the EaO88 cartridge-style filter and introduction is scheduled for mid-summer to fall, 2009. Due to an unprecedented spike in sales of the EaO88 Filter, however, AMSOIL inventory has been depleted far sooner than predicted. Therefore, the EaO88 cannot be replenished in a timely manner and has been discontinued. In the interim, the AMSOIL Online Product Application Guide has been updated to recommend one of the following filters for Ford 6.0L/6.4L Power Stroke applications:
 
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I hate vague launguage!


Then get a laundry gauge!

As far as the Amsoil statement, it is as it reads.

Now start asking questions about other brands of filters.
 
Nice to see Amsoil stepping up to the plate for these folks.

Also kudos to Pablo for stepping out on a limb and providing us with information.

To echo somebody else, I wish all salespeople were this honest about the products they sell.

And how many Hyundai engines have Fram filters destroyed? I bet Fram didn't give those folks new engines...
 
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I post this of my own free will,



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Pablo's confession
 
Originally Posted By: LargeCarManX2
Just a little more wondering? How about manufacturing more? I hate vague launguage! Was/is there any additional problems with the EaO88?

AMSOIL EaO88 Oil Filter Discontinued
AMSOIL is currently researching the development of the next generation of the EaO88 cartridge-style filter and introduction is scheduled for mid-summer to fall, 2009. Due to an unprecedented spike in sales of the EaO88 Filter, however, AMSOIL inventory has been depleted far sooner than predicted. Therefore, the EaO88 cannot be replenished in a timely manner and has been discontinued. In the interim, the AMSOIL Online Product Application Guide has been updated to recommend one of the following filters for Ford 6.0L/6.4L Power Stroke applications:



IOW, "We blew it. One of our clowns said "Don't worry.." (famous words from many of our most cherished leaders)"...we have more than enough Ea088 filters in stock to cover us until we get the new ones on line and available!" ..and we believed him
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There must be no scale of economy to produce this discontinued filter. A run must cost too much for the time that the contract will be in place to produce them.
 
Amsoil has chosen to announce information on many different products, price aujustments, and company improvements. This has been applauded as "The right thing to do" and many give "cudo's" to Amsoil for doing this. In turn....this policy leaves more responsibility on the company to explain why/what they are doing so information is being disemanated downward to the customer.

I don't have any problem with that! but, take for example the EaO88. And believe me...I have changed a few friends over to trying the EaO88 on their engines. At first a problem existed that caused oil pressure problems...I think the filter was too short. Now, it has been "discontinued" with a new and improved design coming out in a Year.

I have EaO filters on all my vechiles that an EaO is made for. I believe that it is the BEST filter made....Now Amsoil....show me exactly why you are making these decisions so I can feel comfortable using your product in the spirit of your own disclosure of information.
 
LargeCarManX2, I think you might be reading more in to this than you need to. I don't know who makes the EaO filters for Amsoil, but I'm sure this decision has come from the supplier. This happens almost weekly with other filter manufactures but no one ever hears about it. I still get filter updates from Shell on the line of filters they sell and it seems once a month a filter is cancelled or a different application is recommended for certain applications. And all this comes from the manufacture of the filter. I agree with you that I think the EaO filters are some of the best, if not the best filters out there at this time, and I use them on all of my vehicles with complete confidence.
 
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I have EaO filters on all my vechiles that an EaO is made for. I believe that it is the BEST filter made....Now Amsoil....show me exactly why you are making these decisions so I can feel comfortable using your product in the spirit of your own disclosure of information.


I do understand your frustration here. You've got to figure that most information is released with the essentials. While we're curious to the fundamental origins that produced the TSB, those who generate them probably aren't those that decided to have it generated.

We're in a unique position here in that we're far more curious than the average user.


Although I think the Ea088 is a miscue in supplier/order/contract issues, the EaO47 is an oddity. There appears to be no restrictions on other "generic" offerings from WIX, Purolator, Fram, or Champ. Without "knowing" anything more, it is hard to figure. I can't see the other manufacturers not being subjected to the same insult ..nor how their construction differs that would single out the EaO.
 
I'm really curious to find the reason also.
Around this site the general attitude is swapping filters of similar specs but different application is ok. Usually the ideology is engineers have nothing better to do or it keeps parts sales up so new filters (usually smaller) are made up for no real reason. This recall info indicates one *known* instance where an application needs a specific filter design and a standard design filter causes engine failure. Of course this can't really be determined until we have all the facts.
 
Sure, Tom. There's stuff like the higher bypass ratings on Euro engines. Doug explained this and brought it into rational view. There's also enough reason for us to question why the SBC owners desire to defeat their in block bypass port ..when they can't even figure out why they do it (that is, they can't figure out who came up with the notion ..it's just been done for so long).

This situation, as it stands, shows where one specific engine needs something other than the EaO. That is, the offerings from Wix and whatever don't appear, at this time anyway, to need anything specific to work with this engine. It fits all the GM offerings in their generic manner.

For all we know, two of these engine's popped up on the Amsoil warranty radar and they just said that the sales in this niche installation aren't worth selling them to. Two out of 50k ..two out of 500
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Of course this can't really be determined until we have all the facts.


And there lies the crux of the topic.

I.E., acquire the facts first and then make a determination of the situation.

I like the byline that says, "Don't let the facts get in the way of wild speculation."
 
The Amsoil bulletin list the Donaldson replacement as a P550528 but this is shown as a spin on. Also it list BMK21, but these use spin on filters. The Wix 57312 is listed, is this a spin-on filter??
 
I am running the EaO47 on my 2008 GMC Sierra 5.3L engine. First one went on last Sept (2007) and just changed it last week (yearly oil change at 11,000 miles) with another EaO47. Working AOK on the V8 engines.

I think I have a 1/2 dozen of the EaO88 & EaO88B on hand here. One of my customers used them but the price of fuel made him trade in his SDF250 diesel for a Ford hybrid. LOL.
 
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