so this acquaintance of mine told me that amsoil buys it's base stock from exxon-mobil. i told him he was smoking too many left handed cigarettes. i find it hard to believe that amsoil would do such a thing. am i wrong??
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why would it be odd for them to do such a thing??? Does Amsoil have $6 billion to invest in a synthetic basestock production plant?
do you find it odd that shell might buy gasoline products from an exxon refinery?
time to do some more reading on here...
JMH
do you find it odd that shell might buy gasoline products from an exxon refinery?
time to do some more reading on here...
JMH
Not like there is a plethora of PAO manufacturers out there. No surprise to this old man. Equally not a mark against Amsoil.
Much more to an oil than base stock. Additve package is where oils really vary.
Well two bartenders can have the exact same tequila. One can make an excellent margarita and the other bartenders is not quite as good. But yet they both had the same "base stock" didn't they? Same thing with oil formulators. Choose the best bartender for your taste/requirments 
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Originally Posted By: Jason8691
That is kind of odd that Amsoil would be mostly a Exxon/Mobil product, yet they try like **** to prove how much better than Mobil they are.
Compare the add-packs (ASL 5w30 for instance) and you will see a noticeable difference over Mobil-1.... even EP.
That is kind of odd that Amsoil would be mostly a Exxon/Mobil product, yet they try like **** to prove how much better than Mobil they are.
Compare the add-packs (ASL 5w30 for instance) and you will see a noticeable difference over Mobil-1.... even EP.
I think most blenders buy what they need for their niche. This may mean buying base oils from different suppliers and blending them, different add packs, etc. Even if you look at the basic formulations for the API classifications and the advantages of each formulation, someone like Exxon (or any other mass marketer) might go for the less expensive formula that will meet the spec, while someone else may go for the best even though it costs a little more to produce.
I am not an Amsoil fan but see nothing wrong with their buying basestocks from another company.
Amsoil buys some of their base stocks from the largest oil company in the USA. Why would that be a problem?
Originally Posted By: Jason8691
I dont have an issue with it, I just think its funny
It's funny in a love-hate relationship way. Just thinking in terms of ironic juxtaposition, I guess. Some guys have told me Al used to call M1 panther pixx. I have no idea, but Amsoil doesn't rag on M1 all that much and in fact M1 did pretty good in the gear oil test.
I dont have an issue with it, I just think its funny
It's funny in a love-hate relationship way. Just thinking in terms of ironic juxtaposition, I guess. Some guys have told me Al used to call M1 panther pixx. I have no idea, but Amsoil doesn't rag on M1 all that much and in fact M1 did pretty good in the gear oil test.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
do you find it odd that shell might buy gasoline products from an exxon refinery? JMH
LOL as a matter of fact, a couple of months ago, i stopped into a Shell station to buy a coke/soda and heard what i assume to be the owner of the station, and he was telling some other guy, I've been buying my gas from TETCO....which I thought was basically Chevron/Texaco. Which made me wonder, what about their V-power additives, and Chevron/Texaco Techron additives and if you are buying one thing and getting another (not that it necessarily makes a huge difference) but I bet a lot of customers assume they are getting gas that came straight from whatever label is on the station. I guess in the end they probably don't care as long as you are buying gas from them and not the guy down the street.
do you find it odd that shell might buy gasoline products from an exxon refinery? JMH
LOL as a matter of fact, a couple of months ago, i stopped into a Shell station to buy a coke/soda and heard what i assume to be the owner of the station, and he was telling some other guy, I've been buying my gas from TETCO....which I thought was basically Chevron/Texaco. Which made me wonder, what about their V-power additives, and Chevron/Texaco Techron additives and if you are buying one thing and getting another (not that it necessarily makes a huge difference) but I bet a lot of customers assume they are getting gas that came straight from whatever label is on the station. I guess in the end they probably don't care as long as you are buying gas from them and not the guy down the street.
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Originally Posted By: sprintman
Much more to an oil than base stock. Additve package is where oils really vary.
That's my thought on it as well.
You'd think that might shut the music off in the middle of so many of our basestock two steps, no?
I have noticed though that they (Amsoil) tend to target it seems M1 on their independent websites more so than other oils, but that could be expected as it's their biggest competitor as far as marketing. The only thing I can say about it is, it tends to get annoying an couple other forums I belong to, where guys who are obviously Amsoil dealers respond to threads dealing with issues such as fuel economy, and other things with "Switch to Amsoil, it's the best, and you'll save gas.", and not providing anything else to the thread. As if there might not be something else that could be more pertinent to the issue of the thread. Ah, well.
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Much more to an oil than base stock. Additve package is where oils really vary.
That's my thought on it as well.
You'd think that might shut the music off in the middle of so many of our basestock two steps, no?
I have noticed though that they (Amsoil) tend to target it seems M1 on their independent websites more so than other oils, but that could be expected as it's their biggest competitor as far as marketing. The only thing I can say about it is, it tends to get annoying an couple other forums I belong to, where guys who are obviously Amsoil dealers respond to threads dealing with issues such as fuel economy, and other things with "Switch to Amsoil, it's the best, and you'll save gas.", and not providing anything else to the thread. As if there might not be something else that could be more pertinent to the issue of the thread. Ah, well.
I'd guess they buy low bid just like everyone else. If Mobil is the worlds largest producer of PAO , it wouldn't be too far fetched to think amsoil might buy from them, and why not?
Being XOM produces some of the best base oils in the world, I'd be happy Amsoil buys some of their base oils from them.
Amsoil corp. has always acknowledged M1 as a very good oil when I've spoken to them. As Pablo said, M1 always does very well in Amsoil's testing. I think what seperates Amsoil from M1 is the small niche offerings and slightly better additive package in some grades.
Amsoil corp. has always acknowledged M1 as a very good oil when I've spoken to them. As Pablo said, M1 always does very well in Amsoil's testing. I think what seperates Amsoil from M1 is the small niche offerings and slightly better additive package in some grades.
It is VERY common for manufacturers to buy products from their "competitors" in most businesses.
The fact of the matter is, "Made by" company "A" does not mean that it is the "Same as" another product sold by company "A".
The base stock bought by Amsoil, may or may not be IDENTICAL to the base stock used in another Mobil 1 product.
Then we go to the BLENDING of the product.
I am sure that Exxon Mobil buys some of the products used to produce Mobil 1 from other companies, and it does not make their product less that it would otherwise be.
The folks here, who know far more than I do (I learn from reading what they say), have stated repeatedly that the quality of the end product is a sum of the base stock and the additive package.
As the end user, I only care about the product in the container.
Gasoline is the same, one company's refinery supplies most all brand stations, again, it is the additive package that is added to each brand's "base stock" that makes the difference.
The tanker truck has a number of compartments, and each station is supplied with the product that matches up with it's brand.
Chevron - Techron
Shell - Vpower
BP- Invigorate
and so on.
Of course, there is less variation of the "base stock" of the gasoline between brands in the SAME market than there is in motor oil, but the point is the same.
The fact of the matter is, "Made by" company "A" does not mean that it is the "Same as" another product sold by company "A".
The base stock bought by Amsoil, may or may not be IDENTICAL to the base stock used in another Mobil 1 product.
Then we go to the BLENDING of the product.
I am sure that Exxon Mobil buys some of the products used to produce Mobil 1 from other companies, and it does not make their product less that it would otherwise be.
The folks here, who know far more than I do (I learn from reading what they say), have stated repeatedly that the quality of the end product is a sum of the base stock and the additive package.
As the end user, I only care about the product in the container.
Gasoline is the same, one company's refinery supplies most all brand stations, again, it is the additive package that is added to each brand's "base stock" that makes the difference.
The tanker truck has a number of compartments, and each station is supplied with the product that matches up with it's brand.
Chevron - Techron
Shell - Vpower
BP- Invigorate
and so on.
Of course, there is less variation of the "base stock" of the gasoline between brands in the SAME market than there is in motor oil, but the point is the same.
It's msotly in the Additive package guys.
Al told me a few years ago that they buy most of their additives from a European manufacturer, these are of higher quality. It costs them about $38.00 a gallon compaered to $6.00 a gallon for similar additives in the U.S.
Al told me a few years ago that they buy most of their additives from a European manufacturer, these are of higher quality. It costs them about $38.00 a gallon compaered to $6.00 a gallon for similar additives in the U.S.
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