Amsoil 0W-20 versus Mobil One 5W-20 - Varnish

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I used Mobil 1 5W-20 in my wife's 2006 Pilot for the first ~37K miles. This is my wife's daily driver and was purchased new in May 2006. It is used for a mix of short trip & freeway driving (65% Short Trip). Due to extended warranty issues, I let the Oil Life Meter dictate my OCI intervals. This usually works out to a 5K to 5.5K mile OCI. Every time that I performed an oil change the engine's internals, as seen looking through the fill spout, were spotless and looked the same color as pure aluminum. The engine did not burn any noticeable amount of oil during the entire 37K miles.

I then decided to try Amsoil's 0W-20 for the last two oil changes. It only costs me about $10 more per oil change to use Amsoil and I buy their 0W-20 for my 2007 Civic LX anyway. I used a Wix 51356 oil filter for the 1st run (37K to 42K miles) and Amsoil's EA013 oil filter for the 2nd run (42K to 47K miles). I performed the 3rd oil change using Amsoil's 0W-20 yesterday afternoon (47.8K miles), using a Wix 51356 oil filter. Here is where it gets interesting. Looking through the fill spout, the engine's internals have taken on a distinct yellow color since I began using the Amsoil 0W-20. The same holds true for the dipstick, but to a much lesser degree. I assume that this is varnish. I would like to add that there was no evidence of sludge in the oil filter or on the dipstick. I also noticed that the motor used 1/4 quart of oil during the last run, which I understand is a common phenomena for 1-2 runs after changing brands of oil.

I am not ready to say that this issue is being caused through the use of Amsoil 0W-20, as I have not seen this issue on my Civic. The appearance of varnish immediately after my first run of Amsoil 0W-20 is an odd coincidence though. I might add that a 5K to 6K mile run on Amsoil 0W-20 is extremely low.

I have one used oil analysis from this vehicle at 20K miles and everything looked great. The used oil analysis did not indicate that there were any fuel dilution or high silicon issues. I replace the oil filter every oil change. I also replace the air filter every 20K miles. I realize that the air filter is supposed to be replaced every 15K miles, but historically it still looks clean at 20K miles.

I plan to perform a used oil analysis at the next oil change, which will be at ~53K miles. Should I try a couple of runs using Mobil 1 5W-20 to see if the color of the metal returns to normal? I have also considered replacing the PCV valve, but Honda states that this should not be necessary at ~48K miles. Any thoughts or comments are appreciated.
 
That is odd.

I would like to see if the Mobil 1 could clean the varnish off if that is what it is.
 
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Yellow staining, particularly on aluminum is not varnish. Some oils do this more than other oils. It's from the additives and the dye.

My Volvo 850 looks a little yellow inside at nearly 130,000 miles , but it's cleaner than ANY 850 engine I have ever seen. I've done 10k to 20K OCIs. Current oil 15K+, 16 months.

I think other folks running Amsoil will confirm this is not varnish.
 
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Looking through the fill spout, the engine's internals have taken on a distinct yellow color since I began using the Amsoil 0W-20. The same holds true for the dipstick, but to a much lesser degree. I assume that this is varnish.


I wouldn't assume it's varnish at all.

The combination of the newer anti-wear additives, friction modifiers, and detergents, tend to run yellow then brown.
(and I mean a really Golden Yellow).
 
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My dad has about 80k on his Honda powered Vue which using the same engine.

The area that you can see from the oil fill is spotless alum color along with everything else.

He uses the OLM for OCI.

Excellent motor!

Bill
 
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
My dad has about 80k on his Honda powered Vue which using the same engine.

The area that you can see from the oil fill is spotless alum color along with everything else.

He uses the OLM for OCI.

Excellent motor!

Bill


What oil does your dad run, Bill?
 
Mostly Castrol 5w-20 or Pennzoil 5w-20.

He did 2 runs with Mobil 5000 5w-20 when we got that oil free a few years ago.

He bought 4 cases of Chevron 5w-20 when Checkers (RIP) had it on sale so once his stash runs out he will be using that.

Mostly Supertech 7317 filters. (a few Frams also)

I've got to change his oil today or tomorrow in the Vue. Fairly easy vehicle to change. (filter is a little messy)

The Suredrain is worth is weight in gold!

Take care, bill
 
So Amsoil stains your engine yellow?
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
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Looking through the fill spout, the engine's internals have taken on a distinct yellow color since I began using the Amsoil 0W-20. The same holds true for the dipstick, but to a much lesser degree. I assume that this is varnish.


I wouldn't assume it's varnish at all.

The combination of the newer anti-wear additives, friction modifiers, and detergents, tend to run yellow then brown.
(and I mean a really Golden Yellow).



This is a more likely scenario. The 0w20 is using a very advanced additive system.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Yellow staining, particularly on aluminum is not varnish. Some oils do this more than other oils. It's from the additives and the dye.

My Volvo 850 looks a little yellow inside at nearly 130,000 miles , but it's cleaner than ANY 850 engine I have ever seen. I've done 10k to 20K OCIs. Current oil 15K+, 16 months.

I think other folks running Amsoil will confirm this is not varnish.


Pablo,

Thanks for the quick reply, it makes me feel a lot better. I guess I have always assumed that yellow color means varnish, but clearly that is not the case with some of the newer additive packages.

I will take a look under the fill cap on my Civic. Perhaps I noticed this change on my wife's Pilot and not my Civic because the Civic has used Amsoil 0W-20 since the first oil change when it only had 1,500 miles on the odometer.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Color alone is not varnish. Varnish is an actual hard, baked on deposit, and it's usually a brownish type color.


I have agreed with Drew 5+ times this year. 2009 may not to turn out to be such a bad year. We can come out of the bunker.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Color alone is not varnish. Varnish is an actual hard, baked on deposit, and it's usually a brownish type color.


I have agreed with Drew 5+ times this year. 2009 may not to turn out to be such a bad year. We can come out of the bunker.


That arctic blast just swept through helll!
 
Here is a photo of my Dad's 2005 Honda powered Vue. 3.5l V6. (same engine as OP Honda Pilot)



And what we used (since it was asked above
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Hopefully the photos are easy to see... (New camera)

Take care, bill
 
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