Allison pulling branding rights for the GM 10L1000
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Bigger version of. I think they basically took the 10L80/10R80 and put it on a zerox at 130%.
Ford has the 10R140 behind diesels now and they have CDF issues as well, just not as often.
The closest siblings are the 10R80 & Gen 1 10L80.
While the 10R140 & 10L1000 have the most differences in the family.
While the 10R140 & 10L1000 have the most differences in the family.
Not according to Dana. I put Dana/Spicer 4.56 rings/pinions in my Wrangler and they came in boxes labeled as manufactured by Dana. They were Dana/Spicer brand. Also, on my Gladiator, I bought Dana nodular iron differential covers after reading about them on Dana's web site. They are also branded Dana/Spicer. I believe Dana's axle manufacturing plant is in or near the Toledo Jeep factory, as well. Both Dana and Jeep refer to the Dana 44 as the M210 and M220 in the Wrangler and Gladiator.
Don't know about the most profitable at the time, The 60 series Detroit costs GM a boat load of money as did Allison's jump into overdrive automatics.
You will never see driveline options like that again. Choice costs money and GM is all about money when it comes to trucks. Fewer options has a snowball effect and raises profits. Same reason whey theres only 2 interior choices, light sadness and dark sadness and the majority of trucks are black, white or gray/silver/
I appreciate some actual data points. Thanks
There is a 0% chance Allison was not charging GM for the use of their brand name.
So the next step, must be as stated in the video. GM lying, obfuscating at an egregious level.
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Common in manufacturing. Never admit anything.
There might have been an agreement to use the Allison name way back when Allison was sold off. So GM may be truthful about that. My guess is that the agreement simply expired and Allison doesn't see value in it at this time. Is it due to the troubles? I don't know. Maybe even if it had no issues they still might not see the value in continuing.
I toured Allison's factory in Speedway Indiana a couple summers ago. It was really impressive. At the time, the PR person made it seem Allison was thrilled to have their name on that transmission but was quick to point out they had nothing to do with the design. She said it was 100% GM. The last time I was there was when I was a kid. My Dad spent many years there as an engineer in middle management before transferring over to "Plant 5" which was the Allison airplane engine company which is now owned and operated by Rolls Royce.
I toured Allison's factory in Speedway Indiana a couple summers ago. It was really impressive. At the time, the PR person made it seem Allison was thrilled to have their name on that transmission but was quick to point out they had nothing to do with the design. She said it was 100% GM. The last time I was there was when I was a kid. My Dad spent many years there as an engineer in middle management before transferring over to "Plant 5" which was the Allison airplane engine company which is now owned and operated by Rolls Royce.
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This is the same thing Jeep is doing with the KL PTU. Update programming to recognize when self-destruct is imminent rather than do anything to physically prevent self-destruction.
And the scary version is that this is why all manufacturers want OTA access to our vehicles. Find a potential mechanical problem? Scramble for a way to "fix" it with a software update overnight. Feels a bit like a kid cleaning his room by quickly cramming everything in the closet. WHAT DO YOU WANT?? THE ROOM IS CLEAN, ISN'T IT?!?!?!
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FYI, the most commonly-sold (i.e., the budget choices that people actually bought rather than the loss-leader strippers that were sold in very low numbers) low-priced GM vehicles in 1960 (the midpoint of the '50s and '60s range you cited) were the Biscayne and Corvair 700 models, priced in the $2,200-$2,400 range, which equates to $22,000-$24,000 in today's dollars.
The most common budget models (not the strippers) from GM today are the Trax and Blazer, which are priced in the range of----- wait for it ------ $23,500-$24,500.
So, note that:
1) Commonly sold budget options from GM cost the same (and even a bit lower) in today's dollars as they did in 1960, but provide light-years more value in terms of safety, performance, and economy.
2) There was only one sub-$2K vehicle from GM in 1960, the loss-leading stripper model Corvair 500 (which wasn't a big seller), and it cost $1,984, which is just a hair under $22,000 in today's dollars.
The base/stripper 2026 Trax starts at $21,600, so cheaper than that Corvair 500 despite being a marvel at every level compared to that stripped-down, tin can of a Corvair (no carpet, radio, arm rests, passenger visor-- not even turn signals!).
I do agree, however, that GMs myriad problems with basic things like transmissions, torque converters, cams, cam chains, etc. are beyond ridiculous.
Just understand that the idea that people in 1960 were getting cheaper cars than today is not true. Cars are generally cheaper today (and much better in terms of value, and probably even reliability-- despite the current problems).
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