AA / AAA Batteries LEAKING

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4 years ago, I started noticing more Duracell batteries leaking in my devices. The final straw was when the batteries leaked and almost ruined my alarm clock. I switched to Rayovac batteries and haven't looked back. I haven't had a single Rayovac failure.
 
This is why I use NiMH rechargeables in everything I can. If I cant use those, I use lithiums. Both NiMH and lithium are far better for high current drain than alkaline because the internal resistence of the batteries are lower, so they have a far lesser capacity drop under high load (e.g. 250mA or more.) EBL makes excellent NiMH and lithium batteries in both sizes and are priced very well.
 
Originally Posted by PimTac
RayoVac used to be a decent battery but they are now made by Energizer. Duracell's had a good reputation and I've used them but recently I had one start to leak around six months after start of use.

Panasonic has some good batteries but they are not sold everywhere.



I use the lithium batteries in my stethoscope which is electronically aided. And the lithium batteries lasted way, way way longer than the alkaline batteries. The lithium batteries lasted 7-8 months. Where has the alkaline batteries lasted a month and half to 2 months. This was because the scope was on all the time I was at work... The lithium batteries do truly hold up well for the money. Only side note though.. lithium batteries do not fade slowly like alkaline batteries.. they die really fast.... No warning. So be aware of that.
 
Alkaline batteries have leaked forever. I remove batteries out of devices I hardly use, and keep them in a zip-lock bag with the device. If I need to use the device, I install the batteries, and remove them again when done. I had some AA batteries leak in a $300 Tektronix DMM ... that was the last straw.
 
Originally Posted by Quattro Pete
Originally Posted by 1000MPH
I too, use lots of Eneloops, they work great in clocks, remote weather stations, R/C gear, etc. Unfortunately, some remotes will trigger a low battery warning after only a few days.

BTW, the primary benefit of Eneloops (apart from the recharge ability) is ability to deliver high current, making them ideal for high drain applications such as R/C stuff, high powered flashlights, camera flashes, etc. That benefit is lost if you put them in very low current applications such as clocks and remotes.



I agree with your Primary benefit statement but disagree that low draw devices are not benefitted as well. the batteries LOW self discharge and so will last a very long time in low usage devices. Add to that they wont leak and it is also IMO a primary benefit. In my remote weather station probe they last well over a year and my garage opener keypad same story with no leaks in the arizona heat.
 
Originally Posted by Kawiguy454
I agree with your Primary benefit statement but disagree that low draw devices are not benefitted as well. the batteries LOW self discharge and so will last a very long time in low usage devices. Add to that they wont leak and it is also IMO a primary benefit. In my remote weather station probe they last well over a year and my garage opener keypad same story with no leaks in the arizona heat.

Alkalines have an even lower self discharge rate than Eneloops - under 2% per year if stored in room temperature. Outside in Arizona heat it could be significantly more, but for remote controls and clocks stored indoors they do make sense, just as long as you proactively replace them on a reasonable schedule.

The 'no leak' aspect is definitely another benefit of Eneloops, but you can buy other one-time use battery chemistries that will not leak either, so you have other options there.
 
I'm on my second Logitech 650 remote and had a 700 before that and these things go thru 2 AA's in about 2 weeks with their little sceens. I have been using the same eneloop batteries that they came with. Think of all the money I saved over the last 11 years using these, not to mention all the batteries I kept out of the land fill.
 
Most of these fancy remotes are good candidates for li-ion cells... my 9 year old Logitech Harmony 900 is still working well, and surprising the battery still holds a decent charge.
 
Kirkland has been some of the worst in the past few years. I am transitioning to Eneloop since they are now Panasonic...used to be Sanyo.

Most remotes ship with heavy duty batteries. I have never had one leak so maybe this is the key in a low-draw device. Skip the alkaline cells.

Can we still get the Eveready "nine lives" batteries?
 
I have switched back to using Carbon/Zinc (aka "heavy duty") batteries in my remotes because of the alkaline battery leaking problem. The funny thing is that they seem to last just as long in remotes, and their shelf life seems to be as good or better. Unfortunately, they cost just as much as the "better" alkaline batteries.
 
Originally Posted by boom10ful
4 years ago, I started noticing more Duracell batteries leaking in my devices. The final straw was when the batteries leaked and almost ruined my alarm clock. I switched to Rayovac batteries and haven't looked back. I haven't had a single Rayovac failure.

They are the most fragile batteries I have ever come across...edit, the leakacels
 
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My indoor/outdoor thermometer was destroyed by a leaking battery.

I bought a bunch of rechargeable AA's from ebay and honestly those have been the best batteries yet. I just recharge them overnight when they die instead of wasting money on new ones.
 
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Originally Posted by PimTac
RayoVac used to be a decent battery but they are now made by Energizer. Duracell's had a good reputation and I've used them but recently I had one start to leak around six months after start of use.

Panasonic has some good batteries but they are not sold everywhere.


Ah, that explains it. RayoVac used to be my go-to when I got tired of Energizers leaking but lately I've run into leakers with RayoVac too...and these were batteries that hadn't even been used yet and still had at least a year on the use-by date stamped on the battery.

And interestingly enough, my newer RayoVacs seem to not have that date stamp.
 
Originally Posted by Duffyjr
I'm on my second Logitech 650 remote and had a 700 before that and these things go thru 2 AA's in about 2 weeks with their little sceens. I have been using the same eneloop batteries that they came with. Think of all the money I saved over the last 11 years using these, not to mention all the batteries I kept out of the land fill.



Why aren't you recycling them?
 
Originally Posted by Balrog006
Originally Posted by Duffyjr
I'm on my second Logitech 650 remote and had a 700 before that and these things go thru 2 AA's in about 2 weeks with their little sceens. I have been using the same eneloop batteries that they came with. Think of all the money I saved over the last 11 years using these, not to mention all the batteries I kept out of the land fill.



Why aren't you recycling them?


Recharging.
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Originally Posted by bubbatime
I've noticed the same thing over the last two years. I have a ridiculous amount of battery powered items in my house. Kids toys, tv remotes, and an unhealthy addiction to flashlights, I probably own like 70 flashlights.

The critical stuff gets made in USA lithium batteries.

The kids toys get the cheapest AA batteries I can find, either Amazon basics, or ACDelco, or the $2.99 pack of batteries from Harbor Freight. Amazingly, NONE of these ultra cheap batteries has ever leaked on me. Ive had about 10-15 Duracell batteries leak on me in the last 2-3 years. I no longer buy Duracell.

I do buy and keep Eneloop rechargeable batteries. These are the most hi-tech, up to date rechargeable batteries on the market. They are made in Japan, and are low discharge, so they are still good a year from now if you haven't charged them, unlike the old rechargeables of yesteryear. I have about 30 of them or more, and they work perfect and don't leak, and are good for 10 plus years. They save a lot of money over their lifetime.

https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-BK...8-12-spons&keywords=eneloop&th=1

And yes, you should be dating your batteries, and checking them annually. I actually have a spreadsheet I use to do just that. I keep track of every battery in my household, when it was replaced, and when the rechargeables were last charged. At least put a reminder on your calendar to check the remote batteries every year. In my opinion, you should not have 4 year old batteries in your remotes, they are likely to leak at that age. The cheap dollar store batteries have never leaked on me, and they are like 15 cents a piece. You could certainly afford to replace your remote batteries for 30 cents a year, no?


The Eneloops all have date codes on them. At the very least I use them for matching. I also have them in assort colors, including the standard white and the light and dark blue from the packs that I've only seen at Costco. The AAAs from Costco seemed to come in two different shades of green.

Also - I found out that the factory is owned by Fujitsu's FDK division. Apparently as a condition of Panasonic acquiring Sanyo, they had to sell off their NiMH battery division acquired from Sanyo to avoid antitrust issues with the Federal Trade Commission. They still own the trademark, but the batteries are now developed and made under Fujitsu's control. I know they're Japanese companies, but they'd like to be able to do business in the United States.

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November 24, 2009

Major consumer electronics manufacturers Panasonic Corporation and Sanyo Electric Co., Ltd. have agreed to sell assets related to Sanyo's portable nickel metal hydride (NiMH) battery business, including a premier manufacturing plant in Japan, as part of an agreement with the Federal Trade Commission that will preserve competition and allow the companies to proceed with Panasonic's proposed $9 billion acquisition of Sanyo. NiMH batteries power two-way radios, among other products, which are used by police and fire departments nationwide.

Under a proposed FTC consent order, the portable NiMH battery assets will be sold to FDK Corporation, a subsidiary of Fujitsu Ltd. The sale of the assets resolves competitive concerns that were raised by the transaction, which combines the world's two largest manufacturers and sellers of these batteries. No competitive concerns were raised by other overlaps between the companies.

"Our nation's police and fire departments rely on portable nickel metal hydride batteries to power the two-way radios that they use every day as part of their public safety missions," said Richard Feinstein, Director of the FTC's Bureau of Competition. "The consent order announced today protects consumers by preserving competition in the market for these critical batteries."

According to the FTC's complaint, Panasonic's acquisition of Sanyo, as originally proposed, would have reduced competition in the worldwide market for portable NiMH batteries. NiMH batteries are one of three types of rechargeable batteries. While each type of battery is used to power electronic devices, portable NiMH batteries comprise their own market, because current consumers of the batteries cannot substitute between them without buying new devices.

The Commission investigation of the Panasonic/Sanyo transaction also included a thorough review of the deal's potential competitive impact in the hybrid electric vehicle (HEV) battery market. Although Panasonic and Sanyo have been the most significant suppliers of the NiMH batteries used in most current-generation HEVs, improvements in Li-ion technology have made Li-ion HEV batteries a superior alternative to NiMH HEV batteries. Besides Panasonic and Sanyo, there are a number of firms already supplying Li-ion HEV batteries to automakers for future HEVs. To the extent that NiMH HEV batteries are used in future HEVs, they will compete directly against Li-ion HEV batteries. In the HEV battery market, the proposed transaction does not raise competitive concerns.

The Commission's proposed consent order is designed to remedy the loss of competition by requiring the companies to divest Sanyo's assets related to the manufacture and sale of portable NiMH batteries to FDK within 15 days of Panasonic's acquisition of Sanyo. This time may be extended 30 days to provide the European Commission time to approve the divestiture.

The order requires Panasonic and Sanyo to divest a major portable NiMH battery manufacturing facility in Takasaki, Japan that produces about 30 percent of all such batteries worldwide. The order also requires Sanyo to supply FDK with certain sizes of portable NiMH batteries that are not produced at the Takasaki plant, but that account for a small part of Sanyo's overall portable NiMH battery sales. Finally, the order requires Sanyo to provide FDK with access to certain Sanyo employees who are needed to successfully run the Takasaki plant, and to transfer all licences, patents, and intellectual property related to its portable NiMH batteries to FDK.

The FTC has appointed an interim monitor in this matter to oversee the divestitures, and the companies must file periodic reports with the Commission until the divestitures are completed. If the portable NiMH battery assets are not fully divested within six months, the FTC may appoint a trustee to complete the divestiture.

International Cooperation

During the FTC's investigation, staff communicated and cooperated with their enforcement counterparts in Canada, the European Commission (EC), and Japan that also reviewed this proposed transaction. This cooperation was conducted pursuant to the respective bilateral cooperation agreements with these jurisdictions and, in the case of the EC, the 2002 Best Practices on Cooperation in Merger Investigations.

The Commission vote approving the proposed consent order was 4-0. The order will be subject to public comment for 30 days, until December 24, 2009, after which the Commission will decide whether to make it final. Comments should be sent to: FTC, Office of the Secretary, 600 Pennsylvania Ave., N.W., Washington, DC 20580. To submit a comment electronically, please click on: https://public.commentworks.com/ftc/0910050.

NOTE: A consent agreement is for settlement purposes only and does not constitute an admission of a law violation. When the Commission issues a consent order on a final basis, it carries the force of law with respect to future actions. Each violation of such an order may result in a civil penalty of up to $16,000.

Copies of the complaint, consent order, and an analysis to aid in public comment can be found on the FTC's Web site at http://www.ftc.gov and also from the FTC's Consumer Response Center, Room 130, 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, DC 20580. The FTC's Bureau of Competition works with the Bureau of Economics to investigate alleged anticompetitive business practices and, when appropriate, recommends that the Commission take law enforcement action. To inform the Bureau about particular business practices, call 202-326-3300, send an e-mail to [email protected], or write to the Office of Policy and Coordination, Room 383, Bureau of Competition, Federal Trade Commission, 600 Pennsylvania Ave, N.W., Washington, DC 20580. To learn more about the Bureau of Competition, read "Competition Counts" at http://www.ftc.gov/competitioncounts.

(FTC File No. 091-0050)
 
Originally Posted by Quattro Pete
Originally Posted by 1000MPH
I too, use lots of Eneloops, they work great in clocks, remote weather stations, R/C gear, etc. Unfortunately, some remotes will trigger a low battery warning after only a few days.

BTW, the primary benefit of Eneloops (apart from the recharge ability) is ability to deliver high current, making them ideal for high drain applications such as R/C stuff, high powered flashlights, camera flashes, etc. That benefit is lost if you put them in very low current applications such as clocks and remotes.


They still work well in that application even if they're not going through high drain use. At the very least I like it that I know that a fully charged battery was inserted less than a week/month ago rather than worrying about whether or not an alkaline set is ready for recycling. And the low self discharge means that they'll likely still be good in a few months (if I forget to recharge them) compared to older batteries where a half year might mean they're depleted.

I personally cycle them through different devices to try to even out wear. I've got a remote and a flashlight that uses 4 AAAs. The singles (mouse, pocket flashlight) don't need to be matched.
 
I have used the Energizer Ultimate Lithium batteries for many years because they will operate in indoor/outdoor thermometer transmitters at low temperatures and not freeze up. Haven't had one leak ever and I have gone through hundreds of them.
 
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