A brainstorm in WM today

[BlueOvalFitter]

My engine uses the MC FL-400s oil filter. While in Walmart today,I had a brainstorm; being the FL-1A also fits my engine,but does not have the silicone rubber ADBV,why not use a FRAM Ultra! It's larger in capacity and has a silicone rubber ADBV! But,would the extra $5 be worth it? Opinions?

 

[Donald]

Mobil 1 filter from Amazon.

 

[volk06]

If your not doing an extended OCI 7.5-10K+, stick with the MC. For the price its hard to beat.

 

[KCJeep]

If you leave the FL-400S I am afraid you're start up noise may come back. But there's only one way to find out.

The Ultra is a fine filter but I had a lot of start up noise with it's predecessor, the Extended, once the temps dropped.

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

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Originally Posted By: volk06
If your not doing an extended OCI 7.5-10K+, stick with the MC. For the price its hard to beat.

I'm currently doing 6K miles/6 month OCIs. I have (1) MC-FL400s filter remaining from the (5) 2010_FX4 gave me.

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted By: KCJeep
If you leave the FL-400S I am afraid you're start up noise may come back. But there's only one way to find out.

The Ultra is a fine filter but I had a lot of start up noise with it's predecessor, the Extended, once the temps dropped.

Hmmm....You would think with the Ultra having the silicone rubber ADBV you wouldn't have any noise.

 

[KCJeep]

Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
If you leave the FL-400S I am afraid you're start up noise may come back. But there's only one way to find out.

The Ultra is a fine filter but I had a lot of start up noise with it's predecessor, the Extended, once the temps dropped.

Hmmm....You would think with the Ultra having the silicone rubber ADBV you wouldn't have any noise.

I have found, at least for my vehicle, it takes more than just a silicone ADBV to get rid of the noise. Both the Extended Guard and PureOne clattered for me despite having silicone ADBV's, yet the FL-400s does not.

I personally think leaving the FL-400s is a mistake, but hey it's a cheap and easy experiment go for it.

 

[Kruse]

Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
being the FL-1A also fits my engine,


Have you absolutely, positively screwed the FL1A on the oil pump of your pickup? The reason I ask is that a lot of the 3.8/4.2 V6 Ford engines that are speced for the FL400S filter will not allow the FL1A to screw on to the threads because of the increased filter diameter. My daughter's V6 Mustang is one of them. Now I possibly could get the 1A on there if I took a few casting threads off of the oil pump with a grinder, but I don't consider it to be worth it. (FWIW, the oil pump on the Ford 3.8/4.2 V6 is external from the block, and the oil filter screws right on the oil pump. Pictures of it can be viewed on RockAuto)
If the FL1A-sized filter does screw on and works, great. But I don't consider the extra $5 to be worth it. JMO.

 

[fauxchemist]

Originally Posted By: Kruse
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
being the FL-1A also fits my engine,


Have you absolutely, positively screwed the FL1A on the oil pump of your pickup? The reason I ask is that a lot of the 3.8/4.2 V6 Ford engines that are speced for the FL400S filter will not allow the FL1A to screw on to the threads because of the increased filter diameter. My daughter's V6 Mustang is one of them. Now I possibly could get the 1A on there if I took a few casting threads off of the oil pump with a grinder, but I don't consider it to be worth it. (FWIW, the oil pump on the Ford 3.8/4.2 V6 is external from the block, and the oil filter screws right on the oil pump. Pictures of it can be viewed on RockAuto)
If the FL1A-sized filter does screw on and works, great. But I don't consider the extra $5 to be worth it. JMO.


I had the same problem. Then I thought I would use a different MC filter or maybe one of the fram options, but when I realized that the other filters in comparison with the Mopar were bigger yet lighter in weight, couldnt help but think they were cheaper in quality. I went back to the Mopar,which never gave me problems in the first place but I tend to try and fix things that aint broke.

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted By: Kruse
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
being the FL-1A also fits my engine,


Have you absolutely, positively screwed the FL1A on the oil pump of your pickup? The reason I ask is that a lot of the 3.8/4.2 V6 Ford engines that are speced for the FL400S filter will not allow the FL1A to screw on to the threads because of the increased filter diameter. My daughter's V6 Mustang is one of them. Now I possibly could get the 1A on there if I took a few casting threads off of the oil pump with a grinder, but I don't consider it to be worth it. (FWIW, the oil pump on the Ford 3.8/4.2 V6 is external from the block, and the oil filter screws right on the oil pump. Pictures of it can be viewed on RockAuto)
If the FL1A-sized filter does screw on and works, great. But I don't consider the extra $5 to be worth it. JMO.

I had a 97 F150,4.2 V6,and I did try to screw the FL-1A on the externally located oil pump filter housing. The filter was about 3/16" too large in diameter. I thought, maybe, FORD had changed the oil pump but obviously not. Ah well,it was worth a try anyway!

 

[tig1]

Use the MC.

 

[zerosoma]

Do not fear the orange can.

 

[Kruse]

Originally Posted By: zerosoma
Do not fear the orange can.


C'mon. You need to put an emoticon or a smiley face behind that. Either that, or the outbreak is beyond containment and I'm heading to the end-of-the-world bunker....

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: zerosoma
Do not fear the orange can reaper.

 

[Nightmare]

Did you notice that the new 400s is a shorter can than they used to be?? I even compared it to the 3422 Bosch I have & the K&N 2009, and the can length is shorter.. taking it back to Walmart and getting a D+3422.. (no not getting the gold ultra can of death)

 

[KCJeep]

Originally Posted By: Nightmare
Did you notice that the new 400s is a shorter can than they used to be?? I even compared it to the 3422 Bosch I have & the K&N 2009, and the can length is shorter.. taking it back to Walmart and getting a D+3422.. (no not getting the gold ultra can of death)


Yeah it is shorter than a few years ago and it makes me wonder if the FL-910S will soon be phased out as a result.

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Originally Posted By: Nightmare
Did you notice that the new 400s is a shorter can than they used to be?? I even compared it to the 3422 Bosch I have & the K&N 2009, and the can length is shorter.. taking it back to Walmart and getting a D+3422.. (no not getting the gold ultra can of death)


Yeah it is shorter than a few years ago and it makes me wonder if the FL-910S will soon be phased out as a result.

I don't think so. It's the right length to fit the 4.6 and 5.4 that the bright engineers at FORD designed. What a brainstorm that was!

 

[volk06]

Originally Posted By: Nightmare
Did you notice that the new 400s is a shorter can than they used to be?? I even compared it to the 3422 Bosch I have & the K&N 2009, and the can length is shorter.. taking it back to Walmart and getting a D+3422.. (no not getting the gold ultra can of death)


Why are you taking it back just because its shorter?

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
I'm currently doing 6K miles/6 month OCIs......

IMO, if not doing 10+k oci's minimum in either one or two intervals then your wasting you're money on the Ultra or the BD+. The FL-400S should do just fine the 6k/6month oci, and your engine will never know the difference in the long term with the extra oil capacity.

I've also read a lot here recently about start up rattle, to me 'if' the filter is contributor then the adbv is primary factor in eliminating/preventing that phenomenon, silicone being more durable/pliable than nitrile. I also think that what works for one vehicle/engine, doesn't necessarily mean it will or won't work for another. In other words, it's specific to each users driving profile and environment. That said, some engine seem more susceptible to the rattle. Otoh, some folks never have any issue with start up rattle no matter the filter or adbv composition.

 

[Kruse]

Originally Posted By: Nightmare
Did you notice that the new 400s is a shorter can than they used to be?? I even compared it to the 3422 Bosch I have & the K&N 2009, and the can length is shorter.. taking it back to Walmart and getting a D+3422.. (no not getting the gold ultra can of death)


If memory hasn't failed me, they shorted it to either go an extra case higher in the OTR semi trailers, so so that they can stack them one higher on the shelves at Walmart. I still have a few of the longer ones waiting for duty in my garage, but I would have no problem using the shorter ones.