800HP 2.0L oil choice..

TurboTravis · Apr 15, 2011

I own a 2003 Mitsubishi Evo that makes 760WHP@42psi of boost (wheeee lol). Currently using Valvoline VR1 20W50 (street version). Been reading a bit and it seems that it may not be the oil that I/we think it is..

Looking for something with as much of the 'good stuff' as possible. Seems like Brad Penn may be a better choice? No cat converter, so that's not a concern.

johnnydc · Apr 15, 2011

Valvoline VR-1 Racing Motor Oil is a family of race-proven lubricants formulated to provide high load carrying characteristics, minimum foaming and maximum resistance to thermal degradation. Exclusive chemistry reduces internal friction and enhances power output under extreme service conditions. Valvoline VR-1 Racing Motor Oil is recommended for engines burning gasoline and full or partial alcohol fuels in track and street service. Valvoline VR-1 Racing Motor Oil is for use in any car, light truck, van, or SUV where API “SM” is recommended(see proper viscosity grade below).
Valvoline VR-1 Racing Motor Oil is not recommended for use in wet clutches( use Valvoline 4-Stroke Motorcycle Oil).
The Valvoline VR-1 Racing Motor Oil
• The #1 selling Racing Oil of all time and race track proven.
• Protects against high-temperature deposits for a cleaner engine.
• ZDDP additive provides tough anti-wear protection.
• Enhanced with fricition modifier to improve horsepower.
• Formulated with enhanced anti-foam system.
Approvals/Performance Levels
Viscosity Grade/Other
API SM/SL/SJ
- - - - - - 20W-50
API SH
10W-30 20W-50
API CD
10W-30 20W-50
Test
10W-30
20W-50
Vis @ 100°C (cSt)
11.5
20.5
Vis @ 40°C (cSt)
77.0
181.8
Viscosity Index
143
132
Spec Gravity @ 60°F
0.8722
0.888
Density (lbs/gal)
7.27
7.39
Total Base No.
8
8
Flash COC (°C)
212
248
Pour Point (°C)
-33
-24
CCS cP (°C)
6200(-25C)
8000(-15C)
MRV TP-1 cP (°C)
20,000(-30C)
27,000(-20C)
Noack % off @ 250C
Sulfated Ash
1
1
Zinc/Phosphorus
0.14/0.13
0.14/0.13
Calcium
0.191
0.191
Sodium
0.049
0.049

VR 1 Product sheet

johnnydc · Apr 15, 2011

http://www.bradpennracing.com/

Don't know what weight you want to run, But here is a link to Brd Penn.

TurboTravis · Apr 15, 2011

Originally Posted By: johnnydc
http://www.bradpennracing.com/

Don't know what weight you want to run, But here is a link to Brd Penn.

20W50

johnnydc · Apr 15, 2011

http://www.amref.com/CMSFiles/File/bp_pb/7126_50_44_58_19_BP_PG1_Multigrade_HP_Oils_PB.pdf
Link for 20/50 product sheet.

TurboTravis · Apr 15, 2011

Anyone have a recent VOA on the VR1 20W50?

A_Harman · Apr 15, 2011

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/20-50-oil-in-an-evo-partially-explained.150764/

Read this thread or any of the one's having to do with Jeff's Evo. 20w50 is the automatic answer coming from Evo tuner's, but not necessarily for the right reasons.

Given a choice of 20w50's, I'd choose the Brad Penn over VR1 dino. At least it's semi-synthetic.

Jeffs2006EvoIX · Apr 15, 2011

Well this is a toughy with that much power it can't be your daily driver. So I'm guessing its a weekend toy, project car or drag car, or some type of track dedicated car.

With that in mind the first thing I would do is ask the mechanic that built your motor to see what the specs are for the motor.

Second, RPM. Evo's have been known to suffer from oil starvation if the engine is revved past 8000 rpm. If that's the case then you may want to invest in a new oil system. If not the case using a 50w may be beneficial to you.

My friend who is the west coast time attack champ with his evo 8 rs which makes about your power level, he runs Valvoline 20/50 VR1 synthetic. BUT he changes the oil after every event.

If your going to David Bischurs Drag shoot out in the next couple months you will see my friend there.

So the oil your using is fine but RP XPR 2/50, RL 20/50 or Amsoil Dominator 15/50 would be good choices as well.

Keep a synthetic in I don't care what anyone says on that. The VR1 can be had pretty much anywhere which is nice.

Good luck and maybe post up some pics and dyno charts for fun.

Jeff

oggb · Apr 15, 2011

Redline 5w30, of course!

You don't need that thick stuff! Nothing but lies!

JHZR2 · Apr 15, 2011

Given the same bearing area, etc. as stock, that much higher power density means a lot more stress and thus heat on parts. Id probably run redline in there.

Do you know typical oil and EGTs?

Slick17601 · Apr 16, 2011

I would be using Redline if it was mine..

fdcg27 · Apr 16, 2011

What about Mobil 1 15W-50?
OTOH, the OP could actually call Redline and get their advice.
Redline would not be a cheap option, but then this isn't a cheap engine either.

addyguy · Apr 18, 2011

I'm not sure I actually believe you have 760 WHEEL HP out of a 2.0L 4-cylinder.

If you really do, that thing can't be streetable.

Jeffs2006EvoIX · Apr 18, 2011

Originally Posted By: addyguy
I'm not sure I actually believe you have 760 WHEEL HP out of a 2.0L 4-cylinder.

If you really do, that thing can't be streetable.

That is my point exactly. There is no way that this beast is street legal. Has to be a race car or drag car, therefore the 50w oil would be best IMO considering the High Loads of the engine. I SERIOUSLY doubt that it is running a stock bottom end or Stock Specs. Evo Rally Cars run Castrol RS 10/60 so in a 750awhp Evo, I think the 50w would be just fine.

Jeff

KeithKman · Apr 18, 2011

Pics of the Evo?

quicksilvr · Apr 18, 2011

Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: addyguy
I'm not sure I actually believe you have 760 WHEEL HP out of a 2.0L 4-cylinder.

If you really do, that thing can't be streetable.

That is my point exactly. There is no way that this beast is street legal. Has to be a race car or drag car, therefore the 50w oil would be best IMO considering the High Loads of the engine. I SERIOUSLY doubt that it is running a stock bottom end or Stock Specs. Evo Rally Cars run Castrol RS 10/60 so in a 750awhp Evo, I think the 50w would be just fine.

Jeff

I bet $100 it's street legal (well, where there are no emissions testing stations, lol). I doubt he runs 42psi through it all the time. But it's cool that it made that much power and held together at 42psi.

I would run 15w40 Redline if it was mine. I wouldn't run the 50w unless you are constantly running max power levels (42psi). If your engine was built well (seems like it was) then all your 500whp driving just needs a 15w40. Again, not sure what you use the car for, or how often you're pushing 42 psi though it.

Ben99GT · Apr 18, 2011

Red Line 10W-40. 4.7 cP HTHS viscosity which is on par with most 50-weights (Mobil 1 15W-50 has 4.5 cP HTHS viscosity), the full dose of moly which the 5W-40 and 15w40 RL CJ-4 oils do not have, and it's still a VII-free oil so it won't shear much if at all.

INDYMAC · Apr 18, 2011

I have read studies that show SAE 40's to be better at heat transfer than multi-vis 50's. Also, high levels of Calcium don't seem to help, but rather dramatically hinder heat transfer. Maybe you should look for a SAE 40 grade (not multi-vis) HD oil that has lot's of ZDDP with moderate to low levels of Ca, and higher levels of Mg. Good luck and have fun in that beast!

dailydriver · Apr 18, 2011

Originally Posted By: quicksilvr
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: addyguy
I'm not sure I actually believe you have 760 WHEEL HP out of a 2.0L 4-cylinder.

If you really do, that thing can't be streetable.

That is my point exactly. There is no way that this beast is street legal. Has to be a race car or drag car, therefore the 50w oil would be best IMO considering the High Loads of the engine. I SERIOUSLY doubt that it is running a stock bottom end or Stock Specs. Evo Rally Cars run Castrol RS 10/60 so in a 750awhp Evo, I think the 50w would be just fine.

Jeff

I bet $100 it's street legal (well, where there are no emissions testing stations, lol). I doubt he runs 42psi through it all the time. But it's cool that it made that much power and held together at 42psi.

I would run 15w40 Redline if it was mine. I wouldn't run the 50w unless you are constantly running max power levels (42psi). If your engine was built well (seems like it was) then all your 500whp driving just needs a 15w40. Again, not sure what you use the car for, or how often you're pushing 42 psi though it.

"Street legal" is a relative (and VERY much debated) term.

But yes, he could be turning down the boost (and fuel trims, ancillary systems, etc.), running pump gas instead of race fuel (he is NOT running those boost levels and making that power on 91-93 octane pump gas, no matter what type of water/meth injection system is used!!

).

I doubt he is making that power/boost level through a catcon (unless it is a HUGE 200 cell, metal matrix racing type, but maybe not even then).

MrWideTires · Apr 19, 2011

Originally Posted By: addyguy
I'm not sure I actually believe you have 760 WHEEL HP out of a 2.0L 4-cylinder.

If you really do, that thing can't be streetable.

There is no reason why it WOULDN'T be street legal, here in my shop in Sarasota, FL you would be surprised all the cars we build and work on for customers with high power. 1000hp 240SX, 1000hp M3, 1100hp Supra, 1600hp Gallardo, 600hp integra... All of them are street driven, some of them with race fuel and shooting flames all day long... No problems

800HP 2.0L oil choice..

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