Whooee! Thats a LOT of spray. Use redline. John--Las Vegas.
800HP 2.0L oil choice..
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Originally Posted By: addyguy
I'm not sure I actually believe you have 760 WHEEL HP out of a 2.0L 4-cylinder.
If you really do, that thing can't be streetable.
I'm totally sure that it makes that power and I'm also totally sure that it's 100 percent street legal.
I'm not sure I actually believe you have 760 WHEEL HP out of a 2.0L 4-cylinder.
If you really do, that thing can't be streetable.
I'm totally sure that it makes that power and I'm also totally sure that it's 100 percent street legal.
Originally Posted By: Torino
Whooee! Thats a LOT of spray. Use redline. John--Las Vegas.
Spray?
Whooee! Thats a LOT of spray. Use redline. John--Las Vegas.
Spray?
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: quicksilvr
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: addyguy
I'm not sure I actually believe you have 760 WHEEL HP out of a 2.0L 4-cylinder.
If you really do, that thing can't be streetable.
That is my point exactly. There is no way that this beast is street legal. Has to be a race car or drag car, therefore the 50w oil would be best IMO considering the High Loads of the engine. I SERIOUSLY doubt that it is running a stock bottom end or Stock Specs. Evo Rally Cars run Castrol RS 10/60 so in a 750awhp Evo, I think the 50w would be just fine.
Jeff
I bet $100 it's street legal (well, where there are no emissions testing stations, lol). I doubt he runs 42psi through it all the time. But it's cool that it made that much power and held together at 42psi.
I would run 15w40 Redline if it was mine. I wouldn't run the 50w unless you are constantly running max power levels (42psi). If your engine was built well (seems like it was) then all your 500whp driving just needs a 15w40. Again, not sure what you use the car for, or how often you're pushing 42 psi though it.
"Street legal" is a relative (and VERY much debated) term.
But yes, he could be turning down the boost (and fuel trims, ancillary systems, etc.), running pump gas instead of race fuel (he is NOT running those boost levels and making that power on 91-93 octane pump gas, no matter what type of water/meth injection system is used!!
).
I doubt he is making that power/boost level through a catcon (unless it is a HUGE 200 cell, metal matrix racing type, but maybe not even then).
Car runs E85 and I get it at pumps for 3 dollars a gallon.
Originally Posted By: quicksilvr
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: addyguy
I'm not sure I actually believe you have 760 WHEEL HP out of a 2.0L 4-cylinder.
If you really do, that thing can't be streetable.
That is my point exactly. There is no way that this beast is street legal. Has to be a race car or drag car, therefore the 50w oil would be best IMO considering the High Loads of the engine. I SERIOUSLY doubt that it is running a stock bottom end or Stock Specs. Evo Rally Cars run Castrol RS 10/60 so in a 750awhp Evo, I think the 50w would be just fine.
Jeff
I bet $100 it's street legal (well, where there are no emissions testing stations, lol). I doubt he runs 42psi through it all the time. But it's cool that it made that much power and held together at 42psi.
I would run 15w40 Redline if it was mine. I wouldn't run the 50w unless you are constantly running max power levels (42psi). If your engine was built well (seems like it was) then all your 500whp driving just needs a 15w40. Again, not sure what you use the car for, or how often you're pushing 42 psi though it.
"Street legal" is a relative (and VERY much debated) term.
But yes, he could be turning down the boost (and fuel trims, ancillary systems, etc.), running pump gas instead of race fuel (he is NOT running those boost levels and making that power on 91-93 octane pump gas, no matter what type of water/meth injection system is used!!
I doubt he is making that power/boost level through a catcon (unless it is a HUGE 200 cell, metal matrix racing type, but maybe not even then).
Car runs E85 and I get it at pumps for 3 dollars a gallon.
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: addyguy
I'm not sure I actually believe you have 760 WHEEL HP out of a 2.0L 4-cylinder.
If you really do, that thing can't be streetable.
That is my point exactly. There is no way that this beast is street legal. Has to be a race car or drag car, therefore the 50w oil would be best IMO considering the High Loads of the engine. I SERIOUSLY doubt that it is running a stock bottom end or Stock Specs. Evo Rally Cars run Castrol RS 10/60 so in a 750awhp Evo, I think the 50w would be just fine.
Jeff
Interesting that your user handle is 2006EvoIX and you don't think the car is street legal..
Originally Posted By: addyguy
I'm not sure I actually believe you have 760 WHEEL HP out of a 2.0L 4-cylinder.
If you really do, that thing can't be streetable.
That is my point exactly. There is no way that this beast is street legal. Has to be a race car or drag car, therefore the 50w oil would be best IMO considering the High Loads of the engine. I SERIOUSLY doubt that it is running a stock bottom end or Stock Specs. Evo Rally Cars run Castrol RS 10/60 so in a 750awhp Evo, I think the 50w would be just fine.
Jeff
Interesting that your user handle is 2006EvoIX and you don't think the car is street legal..
Originally Posted By: TurboTravis
Car runs E85 and I get it at pumps for 3 dollars a gallon.
Sounds like a sweet car. My built turbo car runs E85 as well, but sometimes just premium pump. I have different maps made in MegaSquirt, and just load up the correct one for the fuel in the tank.
How much boost do you normally run? (when you're not trying to spin the roller off the dyno, lol).
Car runs E85 and I get it at pumps for 3 dollars a gallon.
Sounds like a sweet car. My built turbo car runs E85 as well, but sometimes just premium pump. I have different maps made in MegaSquirt, and just load up the correct one for the fuel in the tank.
How much boost do you normally run? (when you're not trying to spin the roller off the dyno, lol).
Originally Posted By: TurboTravis
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: addyguy
I'm not sure I actually believe you have 760 WHEEL HP out of a 2.0L 4-cylinder.
[/b]If you really do, that thing can't be streetable.[/b]
That is my point exactly. There is no way that this beast is street legal. Has to be a race car or drag car, therefore the 50w oil would be best IMO considering the High Loads of the engine. I SERIOUSLY doubt that it is running a stock bottom end or Stock Specs. Evo Rally Cars run Castrol RS 10/60 so in a 750awhp Evo, I think the 50w would be just fine.
Jeff
Interesting that your user handle is 2006EvoIX and you don't think the car is street legal..
Really?
I know a thing or two about this.
OK, look fellas. "Street legal" has NOTHING to do with WHP. You can have a 1600HP+ modded -BEAST- that is street legal, and you can have a Corvette that isnt. How?
It boils down to a couple of things:
1) Do the lights and turn signals work. ?
2) IS THERE TREAD ON THE TIRES ("Cheater slicks" are ok.)
3) Does it have its mirrors
4) Does the horn work. ?
5) Is the Suspension "Safe" does it pass the test.
6)ARE THE WINDOWS TINTED ACCEPTABLY OR NOT. ? (Take it off before the check, people.)
7) EMISSIONS????????????????? In states like FL where that shop is and TX, you dont need to worry about it all that much, just have the appearance of functionality, it has to be attached, thats it. CA and NJ and other states with E-checks have failed cars that have drove off the showroom floor.. its stupid.
8) LICENSE? REGISTRATION? INSURANCE?
9) Is the vehicle LEFT HAND DRIVE and at least APPEAR to have a CAT and is not billowing black SMOKE when it drives?
10) Is it quieter than a PLANE taking off on the runway????
In this example, the Corvette that FAILS emissions, has illegal tinted windows, and does not pass that "suspension" test they do is street ILLEGAL.. and the pristine "Evo X" IS FINE. Same goes for Ferraris, Lambos.. only a right-hand-drive Skyline, or wanna-be fake Porsche 959 (which was never sold here.. i dont know) has issues.
You can have a Yugo in California be not "street legal" and a Koenigsegg CCX be certified for California, perhaps de-tuned a wee bit but it CAN be done.
I hope this helps, and you seem to have quite the speed shop.
Now, question.. NOS nitrous injection and/or turbos in a Lamborghini Murcielago or Diablo. Bunk, or yes you can??? I ask because i have seen a twin-turbo Ford GT being fed through the superchargers (yes, both at same time) with more than 1200+whp (i think that is a low number) WASTE a modded corvette ZR1. It was impressive to say the least (open road, straight line.)
And also, is a 50-wt oil good for this engine? Is that about the only oil that can handle the power? Not straight-50 thats no good.. not too thick for that little muscle car eater?
Id like to visit your speed shop sometime. Surely, you advertise in the Duport Registry and have hat type of clientelle? Just curious. One day, if means permit, i want a BEAST
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: addyguy
I'm not sure I actually believe you have 760 WHEEL HP out of a 2.0L 4-cylinder.
[/b]If you really do, that thing can't be streetable.[/b]
That is my point exactly. There is no way that this beast is street legal. Has to be a race car or drag car, therefore the 50w oil would be best IMO considering the High Loads of the engine. I SERIOUSLY doubt that it is running a stock bottom end or Stock Specs. Evo Rally Cars run Castrol RS 10/60 so in a 750awhp Evo, I think the 50w would be just fine.
Jeff
Interesting that your user handle is 2006EvoIX and you don't think the car is street legal..
Really?
I know a thing or two about this.
OK, look fellas. "Street legal" has NOTHING to do with WHP. You can have a 1600HP+ modded -BEAST- that is street legal, and you can have a Corvette that isnt. How?
It boils down to a couple of things:
1) Do the lights and turn signals work. ?
2) IS THERE TREAD ON THE TIRES ("Cheater slicks" are ok.)
3) Does it have its mirrors
4) Does the horn work. ?
5) Is the Suspension "Safe" does it pass the test.
6)ARE THE WINDOWS TINTED ACCEPTABLY OR NOT. ? (Take it off before the check, people.)
7) EMISSIONS????????????????? In states like FL where that shop is and TX, you dont need to worry about it all that much, just have the appearance of functionality, it has to be attached, thats it. CA and NJ and other states with E-checks have failed cars that have drove off the showroom floor.. its stupid.
8) LICENSE? REGISTRATION? INSURANCE?
9) Is the vehicle LEFT HAND DRIVE and at least APPEAR to have a CAT and is not billowing black SMOKE when it drives?
10) Is it quieter than a PLANE taking off on the runway????
In this example, the Corvette that FAILS emissions, has illegal tinted windows, and does not pass that "suspension" test they do is street ILLEGAL.. and the pristine "Evo X" IS FINE. Same goes for Ferraris, Lambos.. only a right-hand-drive Skyline, or wanna-be fake Porsche 959 (which was never sold here.. i dont know) has issues.
You can have a Yugo in California be not "street legal" and a Koenigsegg CCX be certified for California, perhaps de-tuned a wee bit but it CAN be done.
I hope this helps, and you seem to have quite the speed shop.
Now, question.. NOS nitrous injection and/or turbos in a Lamborghini Murcielago or Diablo. Bunk, or yes you can??? I ask because i have seen a twin-turbo Ford GT being fed through the superchargers (yes, both at same time) with more than 1200+whp (i think that is a low number) WASTE a modded corvette ZR1. It was impressive to say the least (open road, straight line.)
And also, is a 50-wt oil good for this engine? Is that about the only oil that can handle the power? Not straight-50 thats no good.. not too thick for that little muscle car eater?
Id like to visit your speed shop sometime. Surely, you advertise in the Duport Registry and have hat type of clientelle? Just curious. One day, if means permit, i want a BEAST
Originally Posted By: MrWideTires
Originally Posted By: addyguy
I'm not sure I actually believe you have 760 WHEEL HP out of a 2.0L 4-cylinder.
If you really do, that thing can't be streetable.
There is no reason why it WOULDN'T be street legal, here in my shop in Sarasota, FL you would be surprised all the cars we build and work on for customers with high power. 1000hp 240SX, 1000hp M3, 1100hp Supra, 1600hp Gallardo, 600hp integra... All of them are street driven, some of them with race fuel and shooting flames all day long... No problems
There's a difference between street-driven and street-legal. I know of people who modify their cars to have insane hp here in Calif. They're street-driven and NOT street-legal. They have to bribe some shop to let them pass the smog check.
Originally Posted By: addyguy
I'm not sure I actually believe you have 760 WHEEL HP out of a 2.0L 4-cylinder.
If you really do, that thing can't be streetable.
There is no reason why it WOULDN'T be street legal, here in my shop in Sarasota, FL you would be surprised all the cars we build and work on for customers with high power. 1000hp 240SX, 1000hp M3, 1100hp Supra, 1600hp Gallardo, 600hp integra... All of them are street driven, some of them with race fuel and shooting flames all day long... No problems
There's a difference between street-driven and street-legal. I know of people who modify their cars to have insane hp here in Calif. They're street-driven and NOT street-legal. They have to bribe some shop to let them pass the smog check.
I might try the 40 grade Red Line racing oil and check temperatures and pressures. This should work on the track.
For around town maybe the 5w30 regular RL product as your temperatures cannot get that high to deteriorate the oil. Again, basing on actual pressures and temperatures reached driving around town.
aehaas
For around town maybe the 5w30 regular RL product as your temperatures cannot get that high to deteriorate the oil. Again, basing on actual pressures and temperatures reached driving around town.
aehaas
Mobil 1 5w-50...assuming the oil gets up to temp. With 800hp, that's a good deal of stress on the bottom end, especially in a 4 banger. A good 0w-40 would probably work...but honestly, with that kind of power density, typical lubricant choices really don't apply. AEHaas is famous...or infamous (depending on who you talk to) for running light weight oils in performance machines. That said, his Lambo is packing 570hp in 6 liters spread across 12 cylinders, and its driven by his wife. The thinner is better argument simply doesn't apply to this Evo. Think about it...800hp, 2 liters, 4 cylinders. All that power is constantly smashing his crank into oblivion...30wt oils need not apply. So unless you are constantly making short trips and the oil doesn't reach operating temp...stick with something 40wt or higher...and all honesty, I'd be leaning seriously towards a 50wt oil, especially during track duty.
And this is all coming from a guy who runs 5w-20 in his car.
And this is all coming from a guy who runs 5w-20 in his car.
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Originally Posted By: AEHaas
I might try the 40 grade Red Line racing oil and check temperatures and pressures. This should work on the track.
For around town maybe the 5w30 regular RL product as your temperatures cannot get that high to deteriorate the oil. Again, basing on actual pressures and temperatures reached driving around town.
aehaas
Sorry, but your recommendations have again been called under fire by a reputable member in the other thread, about some absurdity to push your point in your published articles that so happen to be able to be found here. Why do you do that?
OP, try some Mobil 1 15W-50. I was thinking about that the other day. Its a 50 when hot, and a synthetic with antiwear properties, and should handle that power and temperature well.
Also, please see my information on street-legal.
Has your cooling system been upgraded? Even some, you still want oil that can protect those moving parts.
Dont go thinner than a 0W-40, OP.
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Mobil 1 5w-50...assuming the oil gets up to temp. With 800hp, that's a good deal of stress on the bottom end, especially in a 4 banger. A good 0w-40 would probably work...but honestly, with that kind of power density, typical lubricant choices really don't apply. AEHaas is famous...or infamous (depending on who you talk to) for running light weight oils in performance machines. That said, his Lambo is packing 570hp in 6 liters spread across 12 cylinders, and its driven by his wife. The thinner is better argument simply doesn't apply to this Evo. Think about it...800hp, 2 liters, 4 cylinders. All that power is constantly smashing his crank into oblivion...30wt oils need not apply. So unless you are constantly making short trips and the oil doesn't reach operating temp...stick with something 40wt or higher...and all honesty, I'd be leaning seriously towards a 50wt oil, especially during track duty.
And this is all coming from a guy who runs 5w-20 in his car.
+1
Now about that speed shop in Sarasota........................
I might try the 40 grade Red Line racing oil and check temperatures and pressures. This should work on the track.
For around town maybe the 5w30 regular RL product as your temperatures cannot get that high to deteriorate the oil. Again, basing on actual pressures and temperatures reached driving around town.
aehaas
Sorry, but your recommendations have again been called under fire by a reputable member in the other thread, about some absurdity to push your point in your published articles that so happen to be able to be found here. Why do you do that?
OP, try some Mobil 1 15W-50. I was thinking about that the other day. Its a 50 when hot, and a synthetic with antiwear properties, and should handle that power and temperature well.
Also, please see my information on street-legal.
Has your cooling system been upgraded? Even some, you still want oil that can protect those moving parts.
Dont go thinner than a 0W-40, OP.
Quote:
Mobil 1 5w-50...assuming the oil gets up to temp. With 800hp, that's a good deal of stress on the bottom end, especially in a 4 banger. A good 0w-40 would probably work...but honestly, with that kind of power density, typical lubricant choices really don't apply. AEHaas is famous...or infamous (depending on who you talk to) for running light weight oils in performance machines. That said, his Lambo is packing 570hp in 6 liters spread across 12 cylinders, and its driven by his wife. The thinner is better argument simply doesn't apply to this Evo. Think about it...800hp, 2 liters, 4 cylinders. All that power is constantly smashing his crank into oblivion...30wt oils need not apply. So unless you are constantly making short trips and the oil doesn't reach operating temp...stick with something 40wt or higher...and all honesty, I'd be leaning seriously towards a 50wt oil, especially during track duty.
And this is all coming from a guy who runs 5w-20 in his car.
+1
Now about that speed shop in Sarasota........................
Redline 10w40 street oil actually has higher HTHS than Mobil 1 15w50.
HTHS is the number that indicates how well the oil will lubricate when it is being sheared in the bearings.
Redline 40WT racing oil is actually a 15w40, and has very high levels of anti-wear protection. Their spec sheet doesn't list HTHS, but it's probably similar to the street 10&15w40's.
Because of low detergency, it would need changing more often.
HTHS is the number that indicates how well the oil will lubricate when it is being sheared in the bearings.
Redline 40WT racing oil is actually a 15w40, and has very high levels of anti-wear protection. Their spec sheet doesn't list HTHS, but it's probably similar to the street 10&15w40's.
Because of low detergency, it would need changing more often.
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How about one of these:
Mobil 1 0W40,10W40,15W50
Royal Purple 10W40,15W40,20W50
All of theses can be bought "cheap" at Walmart,or at an auto parts chain.
Mobil 1 0W40,10W40,15W50
Royal Purple 10W40,15W40,20W50
All of theses can be bought "cheap" at Walmart,or at an auto parts chain.
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I was using Mobil 1, 15W-50 in my 1.8L Mazda with 33 pounds of boost. I did not experience any oil related failures, however, Mobil 1, 20W-50 V-Twin oil did produce more oil pressure, when hot on the track (road race). Plus the 20W-50 had better UOA results. It was a well built engine, and I had it apart, for various reasons, with regularity.
I actually had trouble maintaining oil pressure with Mobil 1 15W-50. So, I'd back off. That's probably why I never had any oil related failures. I really can't say that the 15W-50 was or was not up to the task. My guess is that it was.
However, I did not have an air to air oil cooler (just air to water) because the intercooler was causing overheating as it was. As the engine temps got up to absurd levels, oil pressure would drop.
Not exactly a scientific test, but, you do what you must to make it work.
I actually had trouble maintaining oil pressure with Mobil 1 15W-50. So, I'd back off. That's probably why I never had any oil related failures. I really can't say that the 15W-50 was or was not up to the task. My guess is that it was.
However, I did not have an air to air oil cooler (just air to water) because the intercooler was causing overheating as it was. As the engine temps got up to absurd levels, oil pressure would drop.
Not exactly a scientific test, but, you do what you must to make it work.
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