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There are a bunch of 90W gear oils, in both heavy machinery and boats...
Farnsworth said:It is recommended by Chevron for my Toyota truck manual trans. That’s application specific....
Chevron said:"APPLICATIONS
Delo Syn-Gear XDM lubricants are recommended as rear axle and differential lubricants in over-the-road and off-road vehicles when operating under severe conditions and in extremely cold or hot environments. Delo Syn-Gear XDM lubricants meet and exceed the requirements of API Service Categories GHL-4, GL-5 and MT-1. In addition, they are approved for:
Delo Syn-Gear XDM approvals apply to both viscosity grades unless indicated otherwise. In addition, Delo Syn-Gear XDM SAE 80W-140 meets the requirements of Dana SHAES 256 REV A. Delo Syn-Gear XDM SAE 75W-90 is recommended for Dana and Meritor axles with 500,000-mile aservice intervals and supports Dana’s 750,000 mile axle warranty coverage for line haul service."
- Dana SHAES 256 REV C (SAE 75W-90 only)
- Meritor O-76 Extended Drain
- SAE J2360 (formerly MIL-PRF-2105E)
- STEMCO PPS+ and PPS wheel end systems (SAE 75W-90 only)
There are no cheap fluids and there are expensive transmissions. But, I would definitely rinse the rust/water/sand/rodentpeepoop out of a salvage yard transmission, and replace the axle seals or front/rear seals too...Was looking for something cheap to do a flush before putting in the MT90. It is an old MTX pulled from a junk yard.
...The Pennzoil GL4 is all but impossible to find. Think I saw it once on a shelf 20 years ago...
The 75w90 as in the "thread title"Both the Pennzoil Synchromesh and the Valvoline synchromesh are on all of the store shelves in my area.
Valvoline does make a 75W90 for synchronized transmissions, but in some areas it may not be available.The 75w90 as in the "thread title"
And, never saw a GL-4 rating on the Pennzoil Synchromesh bottle and definitely not on their datasheet. And, the Valvoline isn't a 75w90.
I never stated Pennzoil Synchromesh had a 75W90 viscosity in fact I stated it had a 9.4 cSt viscosity. (It's now stated as 9.08 cSt @100C since they went to a GTL base).I don't care about analysis signature since Pennzoil Synchromesh not rated by the manufacturer as GL-4 or as a 75w90.
The Amsoil MTG and Redline MT90 aren't vaporware are easiest to source for most that have a shipping address.
"This is another fluid that is not formulated as an application specific manual transmission fluids [MTF] for cars and light trucks."
What page of your Toyota's truck owner's manual does it say that your manual transmission requires MT-1 Fluid?
I don't see any specific references in the Chevron literature as being suitable for Toyota Manual Transmissions. If you can point this out it would be helpful.
This is an excellent EP Differential/Axle Lube made from majority Group III and if I had a large HD truck shop I'd purchase a 55 gallon drum.
I did not find a 1996 category for anything Toyota.The MT 1 means nothing to me.
Farnsworth said:Delo XDM from Autozone $7.49/qt covers gl4, 5 and MT-1. synthetic. This is not cheap stuff, but if Chevron makes it, it is good stuff. You don't need something better than is used for large trucks meeting the 500,0000 mile interval I don't think.
The borate component is a Potassium Borate ester compound made by Oronite (OLOA® 9750), the additive arm of Chevron.On Delo ESI I saw this which states uses an inorganic borate film that does not react with metal. This is 80w-90 though. I don’t know what that borate film is but same thing, I need only to know the qualifications.
Don’t know what constitutes a GL4 rating, etc. since you know why don’t you answer your question?I did not find a 1996 category for anything Toyota.
I asked where in the Toyota manual does it state that your MT requires an MT-1 rated fluid, because you stated:
The borate component is a Potassium Borate ester compound made by Oronite (OLOA® 9750), the additive arm of Chevron.
I will ask you the same question:
Please tell us what constitutes a GL-4 rating and what is in the DI additive package that requires it to meet a GL-4 rating.
Okay, you seem to have attached some special meaning to MT-1 so I thought you thought knew what an MT-1 spec meant and that your transmission needed an MT-1 rated oil, which it doesn't....As for MT-1 it doesn’t matter if it’s on the bottle if it also states exceeds GL4. I was merely stating all what is on the bottle. MT-1 isn’t in the owner manual and I never said it was. Why would I when it’s not?...
I tried that and had to remove it. It was too thick in the winter to shift gears and probably would be for him in KC. He wants 75w-90 which would make a big difference, it did for me. I used a Coastal product several years ago but I don't see it around anymore. It was actually recommended by someone at Pennzoil for me.I use this:
http://www.crcindustries.com/products/api-gl-4-multi-purpose-gear-oil-85w90-32-fl-oz-SL24229.html
It is available at NAPA.
I stated it was a compound."The borate component is a Potassium Borate ester compound made by Oronite (OLOA® 9750), the additive arm of Chevron."
FYI is not a ester but dispersed K Borate with a little SP the orignal version has some scuffing issues.
Just use a fluid that is KNOWN to work really well. Yes you probably have to order. Unless you have a store (Coastal, some Napas) or dealer near by. With PC prices is $15.20/qtOther than the high priced options like RedLine, Amsoil, Fuchs, etc. Are there any readily available 75W-90 GL-4 compatible options out there? I can't seem to find any from the usual suspects like SuperTech, Mobil 1, Valvoline, Pennzoil, etc. It would be nice to find something that could be obtained locally via WM, Oreilly, Autozone, AAP, etc. but I cant find a dang thing except for Master Services at Oreilly's.
No special meaning, just repeating what is on the bottle. I can only go by Chevron lists the oil for my manual trans.as recommended. Toyota just says GL4 or 5 and good to go. They do have a long paragraph of boiler plate disclaimers from Chevron, but I don’t need to be a petroleum scientist for my purposes. I think XDM will be fine. The main problem is actually crawling under and changing the oil. Who knows what previous owners threw in there.Okay, you seem to have attached some special meaning to MT-1 so I thought you thought knew what an MT-1 spec meant and that your transmission needed an MT-1 rated oil, which it doesn't.
There is still no indication that the XDM oil contains friction modifiers for synchronized auto and light truck Manual transmissions.