'67 Squire Wagon, '85 Caprice Wagon

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All of these cars are fun and interesting to own today, but if you believe they are even vagely safe as modern cars, your only fooling yourself. This includes ALL classics, muscle cars, etc. Resto mods are a different story...
And air pollution? Put a bunch of old cars in a building and even the gas stench is strong. Modern cars barely emit anything.
Drive the collectable cars on the weekends only, please!
 
Originally Posted By: cchase
Originally Posted By: artificialist
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
I almost bought an '85 Caprice wagon with a 305 when I was in college. I was looking for a beater car to drive so I didn't have to drive my '84 Cutlass in the snow or rain. I never did buy it, but I wanted to...and put some Classic II wheels on it and roll around town.

I love wagons also. My mom had an '85 Cutlass Ciera wagon (called the Cutlass Cruiser), with the 3.8L. I think that was the first year for the EFI 3.8L, at least in the Ciera. It had a ton of electrical glitches in it (Oldsmobile kept putting ECUs in the car), and it died on our move out east from California (died in South Dakota). A replacement ECU from a local dealership got it running again. But mom loved that wagon.

What rotten luck. Back in 1985 you could buy a Nissan Maxima wagon with an EFI V6, and not worry about the CEL.

Too bad those Maxima wagons were hastily executed FWD cars, which negated the savings.


And yet I still see tons of those old Cutlass Ciera wagons out on the road here in the "rust belt" but I've never even heard of a 1985 Maxima wagon.

Were the Ciera wagons you saw the ones with the badly made computers, or not?

Anyway, The Maxima was available as a wagon between 1981 and 1988. 1981-1984 were rear wheel drive and with a 2.4L EFI inline 6. They were great cars outside the rust belt. 1985-1988, they were FWD with an EFI V6. Everything not related to the engine was terrible.
 
Originally Posted By: BGK
All of these cars are fun and interesting to own today, but if you believe they are even vagely safe as modern cars, your only fooling yourself. This includes ALL classics, muscle cars, etc. Resto mods are a different story...
And air pollution? Put a bunch of old cars in a building and even the gas stench is strong. Modern cars barely emit anything.
Drive the collectable cars on the weekends only, please!

People should drive any car they choose....as frequently as they wish. As for safety....who cares. It's not like a person driving a '67 Ford wagon is in a death trap or anything. They are perfectly fine in a safety sense when driven properly (as is most any motor vehicle). Tens of thousands of people die in this country every year from car accidents (regardless of modern safety standards).....statistically, driving an older car that one values has a higher safety margin than average anyway. As for 'pollution'? Big deal. A few vintage cars on the road have ZERO effect on air pollution. Next time you are feeling real green with a modern low-emission vehicle, take a look at the semi-truck next to you and all the black smoke coming out of his exhaust. Multiply that a few bazillion times with all the vehicle commerce on the interstate and then sit back and gain some perspective.
Enjoy life...drive whatever you wish as long as it's legal....and obey the traffic laws. Nothing else is required of a good citizen on this topic.
 
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Originally Posted By: BGK
All of these cars are fun and interesting to own today, but if you believe they are even vagely safe as modern cars, your only fooling yourself. This includes ALL classics, muscle cars, etc. Resto mods are a different story...
And air pollution? Put a bunch of old cars in a building and even the gas stench is strong. Modern cars barely emit anything.
Drive the collectable cars on the weekends only, please!

People should drive any car they choose....as frequently as they wish. As for safety....who cares. It's not like a person driving a '67 Ford wagon is in a death trap or anything. They are perfectly fine in a safety sense when driven properly (as is most any motor vehicle). Tens of thousands of people die in this country every year from car accidents (regardless of modern safety standards).....statistically, driving an older car that one values has a higher safety margin than average anyway. As for 'pollution'? Big deal. A few vintage cars on the road have ZERO effect on air pollution. Next time you are feeling real green with a modern low-emission vehicle, take a look at the semi-truck next to you and all the black smoke coming out of his exhaust. Multiply that a few bazillion times with all the vehicle commerce on the interstate and then sit back and gain some perspective.
Enjoy life...drive whatever you wish as long as it's legal....and obey the traffic laws. Nothing else is required of a good citizen on this topic.


yes and no. there's always the chance of complete accidents no matter how good a driver you are. I like having old cars but I drive them sparingly. there are certain vehicles I consider not safe enough to drive, for example an air cooled VW van. but I do like seeing them around.
 
It's funny, I grew up around wagons for sure - There was a 1975 Century 9-passenger 2 doors down; and a 1974 Impala 9-passenger across the street.

We had a 1978 Malibu. I always felt 'ripped off' that our wagon was so small!
 
Back in 1987 I had the chance to buy a mint,low mileage, 1968 Caddy Hurse with a 472 engine for $1,000. I didn't have the $ at the time...would have made a nice party vehicle back then!
 
Originally Posted By: css9450
Let's hear more about those Maximas!

The 85-88 Maximas were inspired by Tron and Knight rider. They were as boxy as a Volvo of the time. They had wireframe grid backgrounds on various pieces of the interior, they all had voice chips that sounded like a beautiful woman, and various optional digital displays. The interior was extremely comfortable and solidly built. The stereo systems were extremely good, and featured 7 band equalizers.

The VG30E engine was rock solid and powerful for its day (155-160HP), but a timing belt failure could kill it instantly. It was a SOHC 3.0L 12V V6 and it had multi-port fuel injection. "Check engine light" and smog test failures were extremely rare. It was nearly leak-proof.

However, the cars had some serious flaws:
1. 1980s Front Wheel Drive really sucked. The cars had bad torque steer, and the CV Joints never lasted. Compounding the problem was the price of rebuilt units back then. Transaxles were good, however, and all of them had an overdrive gear.
2. The P/S racks never lasted over 50,000 miles, they were also expensive due to limited number of rebuilders. The amount of labor needed to replace one was bad too because Nissan put a bunch of stuff in the way.
3. The cars had had 4 MacPherson struts, and they all went bad at 50,000 miles, and the job was always costly. A significant amount of the interior had to be removed to replace the rear 2 struts.
4. Nissan crammed everything under the hood so tightly that it would quickly fry to death starters, alternators, and AC Compressors. The kind of compressor they used was extremely expensive to rebuild. After a while, many owners of the car just said "Forget it" and drove with all windows down.

My mother had the '85 sedan, and one kid across the street had a '86 wagon. We had friends with variants too.

There was also an interesting quirk that I came to understand years later. The oil pressure gauge did not read in PSI. It read in lb/in^2! I learned about area in a math class and the teacher told us to use in^2, not sq. in. and then that display made sense to me.
 
I can't believe someone paid $12,550 for that Ford!!!! I bought a 65 Mercury Wagon a few decades ago when folks were lining up at gas stations for the first time with the gas shortage. It was entirely rebuilt inside and out.....engine, transmission,paint,interior, everything was as new. I paid $800 for it and drove it ten years. The 390 V-8 towed a heavy boat like it wasn't even there.
 
I can see the appeal of the '67 Squire, but I don't know who would pay $10K for an '85 Caprice wagon. They were big and solid, but...
 
Pinto, Vega, Gremlin, Hornet, Dart, Duster, Pacer, Nova, etc.; as time goes on there are less of them around and value will go up. People always have fond memories of their old cars. There are maybe a few exceptions; the GM X cars and the Plymouth Volare and Dodge Aspen were just terrible designs! But if a nice or rare one exists, it's still worth bucks!
 
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