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I don't worship him and I don't think anyone else I've read posts from here about his videos does. A lot of folks however do like someone that has a background in this stuff and is producing some somewhat technical content about motor oils even if it's not as dry/technical as some here would want (including scientific journal-grade testing) which isn't great for the general public to take-in and what most YTers are going for. I feel the same way in the filter sub-forum here....'00s of posts to read about cutting open a filter and arguing ad-nauseum about efficiency, hard to get through a lot of posts here but I can watch a 20 min LSJR video while I eat my breakfast. Some folks like to read those posts, whatever floats their collective boats.
Yeah, we all have different tastes and likes. Each to his/her own.
 
Yeah, SK is way worse. Lickity Split Jr just isn't my cup of tea. I just can't get through one if his videos. Tried a couple times. Some on here worship the guy, just not for me.
So, you don't enjoy his videos ... fair enough. I find some aspects of his YouTube personality off-putting as well. But it's unfair to condemn his videos as clickbait. I'm assuming you know what clickbait is ... From Wikipedia "Clickbait [...] is a text or a thumbnail link that is designed to attract attention and to entice users to follow ("click") that link and view, read, stream or listen to the linked piece of online content, being typically deceptive, sensationalized, or otherwise misleading"

I just don't see LSJr as "being typically deceptive, sensationalized, or otherwise misleading" That's malicious, and LSr is far from that.
 
I like his videos. I don't see anything wrong with them. He's had some great videos going to different labs, talking to engineers and has shared some good VOA data.
Completely reasonable thoughts. He is somewhat tempered with the conclusions but really would be more respected by this tribe if he was forthcoming with sources of error and weaknesses of methods- just like we learned in high school
 
I’m literally returning all my Kirkland stock later this week on my way to the NAPA store 😉
Good move.
However, I think the NAPA oil sale is over. So if you are going to pay $3-4 more for the NAPA Syn jugs, then go to Walmart and buy the Valvoline Advanced Syn instead. It'll be about the same price and the only difference is a little better additive package in the Advanced.

No, the NAPA Syn and the Advanced are not the same base/ additives formulas. BITOG members have contacted Valvoline enough times over the years to confirm this.
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Things we should already know as BITOGers, but this video does help confirm ...

- too much oil in the sump will aerate (foam) and cost power and lose pressure

- UOAs won't see all particles; the little device he does use to see stuff over 10um help prove that larger particles are not very prominent, at least when the sumps are reasonably clean

- to really understand how the oil did, you must have a VOA to judge vis and oxidation, etc so you can understand the delta (change) in each characteristic or parameter, as every batch will be a bit different, every oil brand will be different, and certainly they will be different between spec changes (SM, SM, SP ...)

- spending more won't always get you more; paying 2x more money won't often return 2x greater performance



My additional comments:
- these tests run do NOT indicate any manner of longevity for use; these were dyno runs comparing/contrasting power and don't address duration of use (extended OCIs). In this video, he is using "performance" merely to describe wear control and power in short-term testing. This does not address long-use oxidation, cleanliness factors, etc. If these lubes were run for significantly extended OCIs, there might well be a distinct separation of many traits of wear and cleanliness, oxidation, vis, FP, etc ...
- these tests ignore the statistical variability regarding "normality" (though he does acknowledge the existence of variation, he does nothing to account for it)
- I'm not a fan of his "total wear metals" method; I don't believe adding data values for separate elements is a good way to understand "wear"
- singular UOAs are NOT by any stretch a proper way to compare/contrast one lube to another; small sample sets are rife with variability which cannot be accurately predicted without decent quantity of data (30 samples min)
Your best post yet, very helpful. Thank you
 
Good move.
However, I think the NAPA oil sale is over. So if you are going to pay $3-4 more for the NAPA Syn jugs, then go to Walmart and buy the Valvoline Advanced Syn instead. It'll be about the same price and the only difference is a little better additive package in the Advanced.

No, the NAPA Syn and the Advanced are not the same base/ additives formulas. BITOG members have contacted Valvoline enough times over the years to confirm this.
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Don’t the high mileage Valvoline offerings also have nice amounts of moly and boron ?…
 
I was intent on running it for the high moly counts I've seen on past analysis testing. Some of the recent tests seem to indicate the moly levels have dropped. I could be wrong but I am sure I've seen some posted recently where the formula has been tweaked with lower moly levels . I will keep checking around , I hope that I am wrong and I don't want to mislead anyone. Will check the UOA posts of the recent times. The last two UOA's I've seen show levels around 140-150 ppm, still decent, but I believe they were higher in the past by quite a bit. There is this one and one from a Prius in the last couple months.

Weren't some high moly oils susceptible to having it fall out of suspension. But there are newer types which work in lower quantities and don't fall out of suspension.

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