5w-30 compared by LSJr - NAPA, Amsoil, RP, ST

Glenda W. said:
It would have been interesting if valvoline had done UOA’s at each oci on those side by side 500k mile run engines. Then measured everything after tear down at the end to compare data. That test took years if I remember correctly.
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I am very sure that Valvoline and LSJr have plenty of data for themselves that they are not sharing publicly. The videos they post give us "some" information and insight into the work they are doing but they are certainly not giving us all the data and findings. I'm very happy they share what they do but we still need to stay keen and skeptical with what they share and how they do it.
 
RevvCats said:
My guess is the basic Valvoline advanced full syn, I ran that stuff a few years ago and it had a high amount of moly.

The other year I asked Valvoline about the 15w-50 oil and here’s the spec sheet they sent me. The first page has CCS, HTHS, and pour point mixed up but it’s pretty easy to tell which numbers are which.

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Thanks for the info!

I think it's interesting that the 20 and 30 with higher VI also have higher HTHS.
 
newoilguy1 said:
I missed this memo. When did TGMO change? In LSjr video he called it out for having a high level of moly.
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I was intent on running it for the high moly counts I've seen on past analysis testing. Some of the recent tests seem to indicate the moly levels have dropped. I could be wrong but I am sure I've seen some posted recently where the formula has been tweaked with lower moly levels . I will keep checking around , I hope that I am wrong and I don't want to mislead anyone. Will check the UOA posts of the recent times. The last two UOA's I've seen show levels around 140-150 ppm, still decent, but I believe they were higher in the past by quite a bit. There is this one and one from a Prius in the last couple months.

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Thread 'TGMO 0w-20, 4k mi; 2024 Tacoma'

2nd fill using TGMO 0w-20. Factory fill dumped around ~700 miles, ~5000 miles on the engine, so roughly 4000 miles on this sample. OEM filter as well.

This was using a freshly purchased 6 pack of TGMO from a dealer. It was the API SP rated stuff. Used to be that TGMO had more moly than a rave concert, but now it looks pretty mid. Oil still in spec as grade goes, but seems very thin for a 20w. Looking at other UOAs from people who used the TGMO, theirs came in around the low 7s on the 100c viscosity, so either fuel, shear, or both. Did a good bit of high speed driving in a nasty crosswind...
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zeroptzero said:
I was intent on running it for the high moly counts I've seen on past analysis testing. Some of the recent tests seem to indicate the moly levels have dropped. I could be wrong but I am sure I've seen some posted recently where the formula has been tweaked with lower moly levels . I will keep checking around , I hope that I am wrong and I don't want to mislead anyone. Will check the UOA posts of the recent times.
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Plus which molybdenum compound is being used? Not all are equal in effectiveness at the same treat level.
 
ltslimjim said:
Yeah, where is the trend with multiple UOAs being on a single lubricant to account for noise or variation? 3 at a minimum is usually the standard here.
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Try 10x that number; 30 samples is the minimum required to get a reasonably accurate standard deviation assessment.


ltslimjim said:
A single dyno run isn’t telling what the results would be over an OCI for a daily driver not being tracked. Even two of the same series engine may show differing results ; even if there were trends established on this one engine of that series.
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Exactly. This is what is referred to as a RPT (relative performance test). It does not represent real world conditions; it merely gives a general indication of how one compares/contrasts to another. And given the variability discussed above ... he'd need a LOT more sample runs.
 
Urshurak776 said:
Scroll through his videos. Maybe not this one, but lots of his videos are click baity as H-E- double hockey sticks.
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What makes "clickbait" such a bad thing? Every business promotes itself in one manner or another to generate revenue so they can continue in business. Is "clickbait" any different from advertising products and shows on television?

Is it that clickbait may be deceptive or sensational? Is it any more so than an automobile manufacturer overpromising the capabilities of the vehicles (sometimes in a much more subtle and insidious fashion)? Or the movie or TV show showing highlights that represent but one or two scenes, something especially true with action shows, or when they show trailers with editing that makes it seem a movie or show is more action-packed than it is?

There are always going to be people or organizations trying to attract customers. WRT LSJr., I don't think he's a clickbait entrepreneur. The airwaves and the internet are crowded places. Providers, everywhere, need to make a little noise to be heard and to be seen. LSJr. puts out fair content. Some may not agree with everything he says or does, but he's not trying to rip anyone off.
 
Shel_B said:
What makes "clickbait" such a bad thing? Every business promotes itself in one manner or another to generate revenue so they can continue in business. Is "clickbait" any different from advertising products and shows on television?

Is it that clickbait may be deceptive or sensational? Is it any more so than an automobile manufacturer overpromising the capabilities of the vehicles (sometimes in a much more subtle and insidious fashion)? Or the movie or TV show showing highlights that represent but one or two scenes, something especially true with action shows, or when they show trailers with editing that makes it seem a movie or show is more action-packed than it is?

There are always going to be people or organizations trying to attract customers. WRT LSJr., I don't think he's a clickbait entrepreneur. The airwaves and the internet are crowded places. Providers, everywhere, need to make a little noise to be heard and to be seen. LSJr. puts out fair content. Some may not agree with everything he says or does, but he's not trying to rip anyone off.
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Scotty Kilmer exemplifies click bait titles. LSJR does not.
 
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Urshurak776 said:
Yeah, SK is way worse. Lickity Split Jr just isn't my cup of tea. I just can't get through one if his videos. Tried a couple times. Some on here worship the guy, just not for me.
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I don't worship him and I don't think anyone else I've read posts from here about his videos does. A lot of folks however do like someone that has a background in this stuff and is producing some somewhat technical content about motor oils even if it's not as dry/technical as some here would want (including scientific journal-grade testing) which isn't great for the general public to take-in and what most YTers are going for. I feel the same way in the filter sub-forum here....'00s of posts to read about cutting open a filter and arguing ad-nauseum about efficiency, hard to get through a lot of posts here but I can watch a 20 min LSJR video while I eat my breakfast. Some folks like to read those posts, whatever floats their collective boats.
 
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