5k OCI- does oil choice really matter?

I take a simple minded approach. I paid a lotta $$ for the vehicle and plan on keeping it for the long haul. I generally pass on my vehicles to friends or family. So I don't snivel over a few bucks more for oil. Now, I have never bought the boutique oils and don't plan to.

For me, this is cheap insurance. Good luck on whatever your methodology is.
 
Exactly right. Folks talk about how their oil has 10k miles and still does well on UOA, blowing off the fact that the oil is absolutely filthy, 5k miles OCIs guys, it’s what God asks of you.
Yes, exactly. The Bigger Picture. For example, oxidation over those miles and what leaves on the inside of the engine. Good example is if you change your oil/filter. Then change just the filter at 5k, with topoff as needed and keep that filter, then change the oil and filter at 10k. Now look at the insides of both of those oil filters. That second one will be more contaminated. You may even see the oil get cleaner on the dipstick right after that second filter change, but it darkens up pretty quick!
 
Let’s be real here though. Dexos1 Gen3 sets the bar pretty low. It’s really not that difficult for an oil to get that approval. That’s why I started using M1 ESP Formula in my Corvette right from the very beginning. It has much harder to achieve approvals on it and I felt confident that it would do a much better job at keeping intake valve deposits at bay (as well as the rest of the engine internals)
I’ve actually thought about using esp 0w30 in my Acadia. It’s not D1, but I think based on my knowledge it’s probably better. Thoughts? Plus, I could use one oil in both my VW and GMC.
 
The part where you misunderstood them is simply the fact that moisture isn’t the reason why labs are condemning an oil for future usage.

Yes, excessive moisture is a contributing factor for sludge, but it’s simply not a big reason why a UOA would be flagged. We’re just not seeing it here on the site. You’re new here so take a look in the UOA section and see if you find a report where the oil has been flagged for excessive moisture.
Interesting, I never said there's a check for moisture. Maybe you're just misunderstanding. I'm not technically "new here" though I don't see why that would be a point used to discredit someone's opinion. I did check some UOA's and couldn't find one with TAN numbers. Anywho...nice chatting with you!
 
Mostly underwhelming to be honest.
It was surprising to see that's what's used. But it also had me recalling my chats with oil engineers saying, essentially, there's benefits to adding even a quart of M1 to conventional oil changes. Still, not worth not doing full sync changes right? We're talking a few bucks these days between blend and full synth.
 
It was surprising to see that's what's used. But it also had me recalling my chats with oil engineers saying, essentially, there's benefits to adding even a quart of M1 to conventional oil changes. Still, not worth not doing full sync changes right? We're talking a few bucks these days between blend and full synth.
It does blur the lines between todays syn blends and “full synthetics”. Back in the Tri Syn days doing SBC intakes at 300k that looked new inside was eye opening compared to conventional or blend.
 
With some engines, 5k miles is definitely long enough for there to be cleanliness differences based on what oil was used. Pictures have been posted throughout the years showing 5k mile OCIs and a decent amount of varnish. Piston/ring deposits are a big problem for many modern engines due to direct injection, turbos, piston rings high up on the pistons, etc.
 
Yes, exactly. The Bigger Picture. For example, oxidation over those miles and what leaves on the inside of the engine. Good example is if you change your oil/filter. Then change just the filter at 5k, with topoff as needed and keep that filter, then change the oil and filter at 10k. Now look at the insides of both of those oil filters. That second one will be more contaminated. You may even see the oil get cleaner on the dipstick right after that second filter change, but it darkens up pretty quick!
Right on! Oxidation is another untold part of the story…. It’s just not directly documented no matter how hard you look at the UOA!!!
 
Oxidation is listed on the UOA report from many labs actually
You are, of course correct, although I have never gotten it on oil analyses I have run, nor have I heard people say that they had a great UOA, except for heavy oxidation numbers. I think we would all agree that oxidized oil, or oil suspected of being oxidized, should be replaced.
 
You are, of course correct, although I have never gotten it on oil analyses I have run, nor have I heard people say that they had a great UOA, except for heavy oxidation numbers. I think we would all agree that oxidized oil, or oil suspected of being oxidized, should be replaced.
Absolutely! Although I would be willing to bet that many people here don’t even come close to running their oil to the point where it’s badly oxidized. And when looking at the UOA, high oxidation numbers are not a reason to immediately condemn the oil. It’s the amount of oxidation change from the virgin number of that oil to what it’s at now. Oils with more esters in the base oil will show higher virgin oxidation numbers.
 
Absolutely! Although I would be willing to bet that many people here don’t even come close to running their oil to the point where it’s badly oxidized. And when looking at the UOA, high oxidation numbers are not a reason to immediately condemn the oil. It’s the amount of oxidation change from the virgin number of that oil to what it’s at now. Oils with more esters in the base oil will show higher virgin oxidation numbers.
Yup, this is important with oils with ester content, as they tend to have high virgin oxidation numbers.
 
Yes, it does matter.
Recently there was a lot of valvetrain pictures here on BITOG with lots of varnish, despite using oils like Mobil 1 or other top shelf stuff from oil shelves at 5k intervals. Feel free to kill a couple hours in Photo Section if you'd like. The common denominator in all those cases were short trips.
Short trips WILL cause varnish issues, which lead to early death of variable valve timing components, timing chain components, and turbo shafts/bearings/seals, etc.

Valvoline ran two identical engines on synthetic and conventional. Same exact temperatures, conditions, and duty cycles for both engines. The engine ran on conventional was significantly more dirty and had to get an early turbo replacement, while synthetic kept the other engine cleaner and still on original turbo with same miles. Also seals on synthetic were still pliable.

How are you getting those 8k/year? Lots of short trips, or few long highway trips?
Varnish? Meh…
 
I've replaced, revived, or cleaned enough faulty Toyota/Lexus VVTi solenoids, and Honda/Acura VTEC solenoids, to know that varnish is not harmless. It is also what causes stuck piston rings, and then heavy carbon buildup just solidifies the deal.
All the 2uz-fe’s in Afghanistan running on conventional for 300k plus miles don’t agree. Nor do all the crown Vic’s running off bulk conventional in the ny taxi fleet running 400k miles
 
All the 2uz-fe’s in Afghanistan running on conventional for 300k plus miles don’t agree. Nor do all the crown Vic’s running off bulk conventional in the ny taxi fleet running 400k miles
Multiple J35, K20, K24, R18, 2JZ, 2AZ, 1NZ, 1UZ, and 1ZZ engines got a thing or twelve to say in agreement to my initial comment. Because that's the engines I personally had to repair or replace those solenoids on. And on some the solenoids we're fine, but the pre-solenoid mesh filter was clogged, and so on.

This style is particularly sensitive to varnish:
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