400HP 800 Ft. Lb. 34mpg 2011 powersroke.

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http://www.thefordstory.com/green/journalists-squeeze-2011-ford-super-duty®-for-impressive-fuel-economy/

Now they have two out of the three bases covered, they need to prove how reliable the things will be.
 
34 mpg? Ahh, Wayne Gerdes pulled that one off. The guy is crazy good at getting every last drop of MPG out of a vehicle. And, if all he did was keep the engine at a steady-state 1000 RPM's and get 5-6 carlengths behind other vehicles, that's even more impressive.

More representative is the 28 mpg he averaged driving the F-250 1.9k miles from Phoenix to Chicago over varied terrain. Lots of hills between the two places.

It would be nice to see some mixed on and off road fuel economy numbers.
 
The 6.7 is awesome. My Ford tech friends have only worked on one so far, and that was b/c it was filled with gas and it resulted in no engine damage.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Pffffffffffft, no one NEEDS 34 mpg.


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Ford has been clear that they plan on making more economical cars/engines in gas, diesel, mustang to work trucks... Ford has gained a lot of confidence in the public in my opinion, and also judging many reports I have read.. and this forum as well..

I also agree if they can extract that fuel economy out of a 7000 pound work truck imagine what they (they as in all manufactures) could/should do.
 
Hey, it's Wayne Gerdes we're talking about. Google the guy and look up some of his absurdly extreme driving habits. If there's ANY other traffic on the road around him, he's a hazard to himself and all around him. AND note the inherent contradiction in the article, that for whatever reason (one wonders what that reason might be...), the authors took a total pass on:
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Drivers were given fuel economy tips from the Ford vehicle energy engineering team and a few ground rules: stay on the specified route, follow the provided turn-by-turn directions and drive at the posted speeds (no speeding and no crawling).
But Gerdes himself is quotes as saying,
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Gerdes used several different techniques, including keeping the revs around 1,000, slowly accelerating and using the drafts of other cars and trucks. The result: an astounding 34 mpg for the route, beating the target by 8 mpg. (emphasis added)

Gerdes followed that up by driving the F-250 from the Phoenix area to his home north of Chicago. He covered 1,907 miles on 68.094 gallons of fuel for an average of 28 mpg. Gerdes said weather conditions – rain, fog and strong winds – caused him to drive about 6 to 8 mph slower than he anticipated. Still, Gerdes completed his journey on less than three tanks of fuel and blended his own B20 biodiesel to use the whole way, another testament to the 6.7-liter Power Stroke V-8 turbocharged diesel’s performance story.


So he's accelerating slowly (violating the specific conditions of the challenge) and drafting (substantially dangerous when done the way Gerdes does it).

Alas, this is a tantalizing result, but it should not be held out as something representative of what any normal, reasonable, safe driver could achieve with this truck. If I drove my Camry hybrid the way Gerdes drives, I'd probably be averaging 75+ mpg.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Pffffffffffft, no one NEEDS 34 mpg.


LOL, good one Drew.

Just another attempt at our freedoms I'd say.
 
I've met Wayne before. He's a great guy and the mileage he pulled out of his Accord (50-60mpg) was astounding.
That said, I'm surprised he didn't get more out of that Superduty.
 
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
I've met Wayne before. He's a great guy and the mileage he pulled out of his Accord (50-60mpg) was astounding.
That said, I'm surprised he didn't get more out of that Superduty.


He may be a "great guy", but his driving pattern is dangerous, for the most part, especially if there are other cars around (when are there not any more?). And let's not forget, there's no "energy free lunch" even for Gerdes. A diesel Superduty may be a nice truck, but it doesn't get a variance from the laws of physics.
 
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
I've met Wayne before. He's a great guy and the mileage he pulled out of his Accord (50-60mpg) was astounding.
That said, I'm surprised he didn't get more out of that Superduty.


He may be a "great guy", but his driving pattern is dangerous, for the most part, especially if there are other cars around (when are there not any more?). And let's not forget, there's no "energy free lunch" even for Gerdes. A diesel Superduty may be a nice truck, but it doesn't get a variance from the laws of physics.


SO now your saying he needs to use the 400hp? seems that your statements are now contradictory? Granted i am spilling over one thread into the other.
 
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
I've met Wayne before. He's a great guy and the mileage he pulled out of his Accord (50-60mpg) was astounding.
That said, I'm surprised he didn't get more out of that Superduty.


He may be a "great guy", but his driving pattern is dangerous, for the most part, especially if there are other cars around (when are there not any more?). And let's not forget, there's no "energy free lunch" even for Gerdes. A diesel Superduty may be a nice truck, but it doesn't get a variance from the laws of physics.
I agree with you in that I disagree with the lengths that he goes to to attain those impressive MPG numbers. However, we can all learn something from what he does - whether it involves keeping your tires properly inflated, turning off the motor at long stop lights, using a Scangauge to maximize the time in the engine's most economical range, and so on.

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Originally Posted By: Dualie
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
I've met Wayne before. He's a great guy and the mileage he pulled out of his Accord (50-60mpg) was astounding.
That said, I'm surprised he didn't get more out of that Superduty.


He may be a "great guy", but his driving pattern is dangerous, for the most part, especially if there are other cars around (when are there not any more?). And let's not forget, there's no "energy free lunch" even for Gerdes. A diesel Superduty may be a nice truck, but it doesn't get a variance from the laws of physics.


SO now your saying he needs to use the 400hp? seems that your statements are now contradictory? Granted i am spilling over one thread into the other.



You're getting a little out of control here -- take a deep breath. I said nothing of the sort, and you fully well know it. Just because his extreme hypermiling driving is, well, extreme in NO WAY implies at all that the only alternative is to use the maximum output of the engine.
 
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
...I agree with you in that I disagree with the lengths that he goes to to attain those impressive MPG numbers. However, we can all learn something from what he does - whether it involves keeping your tires properly inflated, turning off the motor at long stop lights, using a Scangauge to maximize the time in the engine's most economical range, and so on.

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That's an excellent point. I do, in fact, put some of his practices to use myself, SOME times, in moderation, and with the idea that SAFETY and not imposing upon others are also critical concerns.

I actually do use a ScanGauge myself -- it's a fantastic tool, actually and especially in the HSD cars that do not come with tachometers. I'm convinced that Toyota/Lex replaced the tach with the mileage gauage because many less experienced drivers simply could not tolerate watching the cars' unusual rpm response. But with the SG, I can carefully limit the rpms to the most efficient range (when I feel like it
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And the HSD cars themselves do the shut off thing all by themselves. I actually now find my wife's very smooth Avalon annoying at stoplights -- because the engine just keeps idling on, burning gas and going nowhere. I LOVE how my car shuts itself off when you're stuck in traffic or at a red light.

I wonder if Wayne was shutting off the diesel at every stoplight?
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