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It was a Windsor (289) destroked to like 260ci?
I don't recall whether Cosworth was involved in this one or not? I know with The RS200 program and the rally cars Cosworth definitely was.
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I don't recall whether Cosworth was involved in this one or not? I know with The RS200 program and the rally cars Cosworth definitely was.
I guess the Ford Cosworth Indy came a little later and I conflated the two.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford-Cosworth_Indy_V8_engine
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I put so many stupid chains and chain driven water pumps on quad 4s.... my goodness.
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I'm quite well versed in Ford FEs. I own one. And have been inside it.
My point was that 40 years ago, we were not able to make mass produced OHC engines. Obviously the SOHC Ford 427 isn't a mass produced engine. Legendary? ABSOLUTELY! But not mass produced. It produced so much HP that the metallurgy wasn't up to the task in the 60s for bottom ends.
All my 80s VAG SOHC and DOHC engines would easily go 300K miles with only timing belts, water pumps, and oil changes.
We are talking 40 years ago, no American OHC engine could do that.
Ford had had Mazda help, on the 4 and 6 cyl, and has done well.
Not jabbing anyone, just stating my experience as a long time mechanic and antique car enthusiast.
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The Duratec 8V was a Kent engine, had no Mazda help. Its lineage is from Ford's European operations. There were many others in the Duratec family that didn't have Mazda DNA in them.
The Ford Kent family has a pretty storied history, being used by Cosworth and there being several OHC iterations.
The Duratec V6 isn't 40 years ago, as it appeared in the 90's, but also did not have any Mazda involvement.
You are using the royal "we" here, but GM and Ford are multinational corporations with operations on multiple continents, ergo, Ford Europe is still Ford
As is Ford Australia, who, starting in 1988, produced an SOHC version of the Ford i6 for the Falcon, which definitely slots-in under mass produced.Ford not introducing some of their OHC offerings from their various other operations into North America doesn't preclude them from being able to produce them, that was my point in calling out the earlier experiences with it from back in the 1960's. They preferred to produce pushrod engines for the North American market prior to the introduction of the Modular, likely because that's what sold. There are motives for choices made that aren't driven by incompetence, which appears to be the implication being made, that Ford, GM and Chrysler were incapable of producing OHC engines, but this is in spite of the fact that they were doing exactly that elsewhere, and getting good service out of them.
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And of course the Modular development started in the mid 80's with formal introduction happening in 1990, so I'd argue it slots in there too, and we know how good of an engine family (other than the 3V) that ended up being.
The competence and capability were there, but the motivation to do so wasn't. That should be the discussion, IMHO. Why did it take until the mid 80's for Ford, for example, to garner an interest in producing an OHC engine for domestic consumption? I think the answer lies in the type of vehicles that were the bread and butter for these companies, which, at the time, were large cars and trucks.
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Yes, I've historically been a Ford guy too. My grandfather was a total Ford nut and was my mentor for most of my childhood. That's what most of my wrenching experience is on as well, mostly Windsor stuff.
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don’t need no stinking DOHC
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2017 Pacifica 3.6L with 90k miles. Not a single issue. I use mostly synthetic 5W30 and change every 5000 miles religiously. I really like this engine. The 8 or 9 speed transmission is GARBAGE though. Terrible shift quality with lots of banging , noises, and just terrible.
The 6 speed transmission I had in a Town and Country was way superior.
The 6 speed transmission I had in a Town and Country was way superior.
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Yeah - with 4.10 gears - my 8 speed does not balance well with what I do - the Jeep will only lock rear or both axles in 4Lo - but now I’m doing 10 MPH in 7th gear because the transfer case is 4:1 …
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3 pedals.....I wish we still could get 3 pedals
Perhaps because of fwd and sideways motor? The 8-spds in my '14 and '22 JGC's are excellent. Love them.
The 8 speeds in the RWDs are probably the best transmission on the market today. The 9 speed in the FWDs are questionable. Both are ZF designed units used by many manufacturers.
Pentastar is a terrific motor. Got a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland with it - 153k miles of great service. All I have done to it was replace the oil cooler, spark plugs, filters and oil. Runs just like day 1. We just got a new Jeep Gladiator with the later version of the motor and it feels and acts like the 2014 and I expect the same good performance with this one. The 3.6 in my Cadillac CTS has had WAY more issues than I care to discuss and being DI - I prefer that the Mopar 3.6 is not DI.
Agree - the 8 speed in my 14 Jeep GJ and my 16 Ram have been flawless and are always in the right gear as needed.
