24MPH Average : Normal Or Severe Duty OCI ?

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Originally Posted by philipp10
I am not sure where the notion came that idling is bad for a motor.......it's not.


From when carburetted dinosaurs roamed the earth.
 
Originally Posted by SeaJay
This is BITOG. All of our driving is severe and requires more frequent OCI than recommended by the manufacturers.


Seems that way! OMFG, so much worry about nothing...
 
Originally Posted by hpb
Originally Posted by SeaJay
This is BITOG. All of our driving is severe and requires more frequent OCI than recommended by the manufacturers.


Seems that way! OMFG, so much worry about nothing...


I always thought the opposite of bitog. People are tending to go the maximum recommended OCI even when they are doing severe service. Since I joined this site years ago it looks like longer and longer OCI are trending these days.

I have been going slightly longer myself on my "carbureted dinosaur" but it gets less fuel dilution than my girlfriend's modern GDI Hyundai by far. For me a longer OCI for severe service is 4k miles or 6 months.

This week it's been going down to about 0F and I'm doing mostly 4 mile trips each way to work.
 
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*Pennzoil Platinum D1 Gen 2 and using a Fram Ultra oil filter . Round trip daily to work is 35 miles (suburb surface streets under 45 MPH hence the 24 MPH average) . I get on the interstate for brief periods (less than 30 minutes) about every two weeks .
Originally Posted by JC1
Originally Posted by ChrisD46
Just curious : If during a oil change interval I average 24 MPH in suburban driving outside a large city (ATL) in my 2017 Sonata 2.4L GDI non - turbo - then would this be considered a normal OR severe OCI (for Hyundai is 3,750 (severe) and 7,500 (normal) ?


What oil and Filter are you using? How many miles do you put on the car daily? I think you are probably ok for somewhere around 5000 miles, unless you aren't using quality Oil and filter.

No opportunity to get it up to 55-65 MPH once a week? I probably wouldn't run the oil for 7500 Miles without a used oil analysis.

I do a lot of in town driving but at least once a week or at least every second week I get out on the Highway for a good run. I usually change my oil around 6000-7000 Miles and was using full synthetic with a Fram Ultra.
 
*35 miles round trip to work and it's about 45 minutes one way.
Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
24 MPH average isn't enough info. For how far and the time of your drive each day matters also.
 
Originally Posted by ChrisD46
*35 miles round trip to work and it's about 45 minutes one way.
Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
24 MPH average isn't enough info. For how far and the time of your drive each day matters also.






I would consider this severe. As I interpret your comment, it takes you 45 minutes to go 17.5 miles.
 
Originally Posted by PimTac
Originally Posted by ChrisD46
*35 miles round trip to work and it's about 45 minutes one way.
Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
24 MPH average isn't enough info. For how far and the time of your drive each day matters also.






I would consider this severe. As I interpret your comment, it takes you 45 minutes to go 17.5 miles.

I agree.
 
The Hyundai in my signature sees and average speed of 26 MPH. My daily commute is 19 miles each way, takes 40-60 minutes each way depending on traffic. There are some 5-6 mile 'sprints' at 50-70 MPH in that commute.

I change according to the Sever Service Interval, 3750 miles and don't worry about it. Oil is cheap.
 
By the manual I believe it would be considered severe, but because it gets up to temperature for a good long time every trip I would think 5k miles would be safe. It's nothing like my 4 mile stop and go drive to work in freezing temps with a carburetor and old flat tappet v8.
 
Originally Posted by PimTac
Originally Posted by ChrisD46
*35 miles round trip to work and it's about 45 minutes one way.
Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
24 MPH average isn't enough info. For how far and the time of your drive each day matters also.






I would consider this severe. As I interpret your comment, it takes you 45 minutes to go 17.5 miles.

*Correct !
 
Originally Posted by Uphill_Both_Ways
Originally Posted by philipp10
I am not sure where the notion came that idling is bad for a motor.......it's not.


From when carburetted dinosaurs roamed the earth.

So could you please enlighten me and tell why it's good or at least not harmful. Seems to be contrary to all conventional thinking.
 
If your trips are short, or in dirty conditions, or you tow it is severe. Since you drive about 45 min, your engine becomes warm and excess fuel tends to burn off, even in typical suburban driving, such as driving for a mile or two and stopping of 1-3 min at a light. If you are a typical Atlanta commuter who spends 10-15 min to get to the freeway, is on the freeway for 20 min, then has another 5-10 back on city streets, that would indicate normal conditions. As long as you have a 20-30 min fullish highway speed drive about once every week or two, you should be fine. You should do a used oil analysis at 4K or so to see if your have excess fuel in your oil.
 
35 miles and 45 min each way ~= 1.3 min / mile
7000 miles x 1.3 min/mile == 9100 min == 152 hours of operations
Assuming you are not racing light to light (full throttle/redline/full brake), not over heating the oil/coolant (proper cooling system operation), good gas/good air and oil filtration, good engine (no/low fuel dilution, etc), etc etc etc...

Sounds like pretty normal use, and 150 hours should be plenty doable on any decent quality oil. Severe and normal service definition is simplified OCI definition for the average Jane/average Joe. I do my commute car oil changes roughly every 300 hours, with some hard use intermittently. It takes roughly 7000 to 8000 miles to accumulate 300 hours. It's also a turbo DI engine.
 
* While I have no oil life monitor , my Hyundai does show hours on the oil change (as well as miles) so the 150 hours mark would make for a oil change indicator (most likely)... I don't get to the interstate a lot but as stated my daily commute is 40 to 45 minutes one way so the oil gets heated up .
Originally Posted by oghl
35 miles and 45 min each way ~= 1.3 min / mile
7000 miles x 1.3 min/mile == 9100 min == 152 hours of operations
Assuming you are not racing light to light (full throttle/redline/full brake), not over heating the oil/coolant (proper cooling system operation), good gas/good air and oil filtration, good engine (no/low fuel dilution, etc), etc etc etc...

Sounds like pretty normal use, and 150 hours should be plenty doable on any decent quality oil. Severe and normal service definition is simplified OCI definition for the average Jane/average Joe. I do my commute car oil changes roughly every 300 hours, with some hard use intermittently. It takes roughly 7000 to 8000 miles to accumulate 300 hours. It's also a turbo DI engine.
 
Originally Posted by JHZR2


Driving highway is good because of sustained loading. It doesn't take a lot of power to propel down the highway (60hp at 60mph is a rule of thumb I remember). So it's not high loading...


60HP would be sufficient to sustain 100 mph. A normal sedan takes maybe 20hp or slightly less to sustain 60 mph. Highway driving provides good air, coolant, and oil flow to keep all key temperatures in check. 20-30HP or even 60 hp (I drive a little faster) is basically no stress on any modern day engine.
 
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Originally Posted by philipp10
I am not sure where the notion came that idling is bad for a motor.......it's not.


My Colorado cuts the OLM really short if idled...and AMSOIL have limited both normal and severe service to 700 hours, and cite idling in their reasoning...they didn't do that in carb days, it's relatively recently that they've limited it to 700h, citing idling.
 
That's what I thought Shannow. I've never heard of idling being beneficial, heck from what I understand it's not even good for a lawnmower. Sure it may get your oil temps up in city stop and go but it probably gums up the works.
 
Originally Posted by Shannow
Originally Posted by philipp10
I am not sure where the notion came that idling is bad for a motor.......it's not.


My Colorado cuts the OLM really short if idled...and AMSOIL have limited both normal and severe service to 700 hours, and cite idling in their reasoning...they didn't do that in carb days, it's relatively recently that they've limited it to 700h, citing idling.


I know on the diesels the reason is that the DPF gets loaded up. I've been told not to extended-idle our EcoDiesel by my mechanic friend for that reason. Says it will cause more frequent regens, which means more fuel dilution, and it is harder on the DPF and oil.
 
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