I don't think this one will do well either. It has a lot of hard competition from more prestigious sounding brand names with a similar price point.
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It's just too easy to flip the switch for the extra speed. If more range was added then it would be likely it would be capable of even more ridiculous acceleration. There's no level of dialing back the acceleration that would actually extend range, unless the motor was enough lighter to make that happen and all in all the motors aren't that heavy to worry about saving 50 lbs for a weak one to not gain any measurable range.
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I acutely understand the trades with batteries. My world of batteries doesn’t even start until I can get 4C, and more ideal is like 15C-rate. I get how when you buy the energy, you get the power.
But the drives and motors also have efficiencies and switching losses and whatnot that could be focused on, along with battery losses, etc.
But we know what sells….
It sells to me as well. I know what the tech is capable of. If it's not stupid fast I'm not interested to be honest. I also want to be able to toy around with settings to have fun driving it like Tesla's track software or Hyundai's EV N modes. I won't use it every day and it won't make it a better daily. It's that bit of extra when I'm not just commuting. For your average consumer they won't care about any of that or even attempt to use it, but it's enough of a deal breaker that I'll pick something else.
Admittedly, it’s not any more expensive than a Tacoma, and I won’t lie - it looks perfectly sized and beautifully appointed inside, at least in the pictures. If I needed an in-city street fighter with a little command view seating cred and weekend warrior roof rack to the boonies, car lust could be a problem with this one.
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edyvw
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Like I told you:
It is very predictable every year, but this one is really something.
They had off road tires, so I guess they thought that traversing one of the most dangerous mountain passes, IN WRONG DIRECTION, in the US, is than OK, with, pay attention, Chevrolet Blazer!
I wouldn’t do the Black Bear pass with Sequoia and it has 4LO and center locking differential.
Because:
So, owner of Blazer won’t just get hefty ticket, but towing might be above $5,000!
They had off road tires, so I guess they thought that traversing one of the most dangerous mountain passes, IN WRONG DIRECTION, in the US, is than OK, with, pay attention, Chevrolet Blazer!
I wouldn’t do the Black Bear pass with Sequoia and it has 4LO and center locking differential.
Because:
So, owner of Blazer won’t just get hefty ticket, but towing might be above $5,000!
I’m waiting for the Jeep Repo. 
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I've only seen that referenced in Europe. Is there comparable data for the US? Most comments I see regarding PHEV cite the home charging as a primary benefit.
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I think it uses the same platform as the Wagoneer S, so this is probably Stellantis trying to gain greater economies of scale by leveraging its existing platforms.
Based on:
https://theicct.org/publication/real-world-phev-us-dec22/
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/features/phev-owners-not-plugging-in
Granted, I think that is a 2022 report....but it wouldn't surprise me if it were still true.
Direct link to the report:
https://theicct.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/real-world-phev-us-dec22.pdf
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I read some of it and had Gemini summarize the remainder. It's mind boggling that someone would incur the additional expense of buying a PHEV but forgo fuel savings by charging regularly, especially in California, which has very high gas prices.
Yep, same here.
Which is what leads me to think that their new fullsize, series hybrid platform (Ramcharger, or Grand Something or other) is going to end up being a wet fart. If you can't get people to plug them in daily they'll end up being less efficient. (Not to mention my thoughts on towing with it as I've stated elsewhere)
Doesn't matter if it is a good solution to a problem if you can't get people to use them as intended and it will only take a small number of noisy people yelling that the vehicle is crap to kill the thing.
As the short-time owner of a PHEV, something really bothered me with the concept after living with it for a few days. That is, you will deplete the entire battery back 100% every day. Whereas in an EV you may only use 20-30% of the pack on a daily basis, the PHEV pack gets fully cycled every day. That’s 1,000+ cycles in 3 years, plus the buffering it’s doing still once depleted while operating as a hybrid. It made me nervous about it - and the one I had being a BMW, didn’t trust the eventual price of battery replacement. (Also, the extended warranty I purchase did not say it wouldn’t cover hybrid packs, but the ink-on-paper agreement specifically pointed out that batteries weren’t covered - i completed the purchase but after processing all that, took it back within the refund period for my $ back).
Being late to the EV or large hybrid party may have been a stroke of genius for Stellantis. Feels like they know they need to go back to basics. Build and sell product that people want, Hemi Ram, 2026 Cherokee, V6 Durango, mid size truck. Definitely need a revised Compass.
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I wouldn't give them that much credit.
They're doing what they need to in order to survive at the moment.
They're doubling down on big V8's in the current political climate, so they'll be caught with their pants around their ankles when the wind blows a different way.
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They have the Hurricane 6 and the new Hurricane 4 turbo as well, plus some inefficient, expensive EVs. But they can drop the EREV powertrain in the big ones or add hybridization to the small ones, so they aren't really worse off than the competition. The V8 thing is what their customers have been asking for.
That EREV powertrain will be dead on arrival. I'll eat crow if it isn't.
There will be a ton of fanfare when it launches and then it will die an ugly death.
Plus, how's the reliability of that I6 going?
Not that I'm picking on them, all the manufs are building garbage now, but I don't think Stellantis can engineer its way out of a paper bag.
