2024 Titan: Pick a filter to win
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One can't see the Nissan OEM adbv defect until can cut open and after some use. Linked* is what I found and on more than just one anecdote. Nissan OEM Grupo Gohner, no bueno 'for me'.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/nissan-15208-65foe-adbv-defect.307562/
EZ call here for me, CQ Premium.
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Looks good.
Just because a filter is relatively "small" and high efficiency doesn't mean it doesn't have plenty of holding capacity for the job. Besides, it's a new vehicle and doubt he's going longer than OM recommended OCIs.
Carquest Premium paired with the QSUD 0W20 is a great combo!!!
I'm unconcerned by that, the filter on the Armada is at a down angle.
If you read the entire link, the concern goes beyond simple adbv function. When it slides down element outlet flange it opens an oil bypass area at the point vacated by the adbv outlet collar seal. It's why even filters with no adbv generally have a small gasket/seal where the outlet flange meets the inside baseplate. But if you're fine with that, cool by me. Simply pointing out the defect. The adbv function loss really unimportant when compared to oil bypass area.
Here is the factory Nissan installed filter on my then owned 2016 Frontier. Seem fine and notice no issues with build quality.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/cut-open-factory-installed-nissan-15208-9e01a.275354/
That being said, I would still say go with the Carquest Blue filter if given a choice.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/cut-open-factory-installed-nissan-15208-9e01a.275354/
That being said, I would still say go with the Carquest Blue filter if given a choice.
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I’ve always been an OEM filter guy, Motorcraft in particular- until their oil filter quality started becoming suspect.
I’ve never owned a Nissan, nor have I ever worked on one so to be quite honest I’m very unfamiliar with their products or quality.
With that being said, I believe you cannot go wrong using the Carquest Premium. CP has been serving me well since my abandonment of Motorcraft.
I’ve never owned a Nissan, nor have I ever worked on one so to be quite honest I’m very unfamiliar with their products or quality.
With that being said, I believe you cannot go wrong using the Carquest Premium. CP has been serving me well since my abandonment of Motorcraft.
23 Titan Pro4X here with @21K miles: Filters used thus far include OE Nissan, Fram XG7317 and Mobil1 110A. I also like the Puro Boss PBL14610 and used it extensively in a previous 2018 Titan Pro4X. Will get some of these also to keep in the stash. My truck is happy with any of these filters. I am sure there are other decent filters out there as well.
"If" the way the pic of the adbv is the way you found it as time of cutting, sitting on top of outlet flange or on baseplate, then it would appear the Nissan FF adbv did function properly. I note your post of factory filter from 2017 vs 2019 for my finding(s). Also it is different application number, though still Gohner made. The adbv central collar does look very similar though, to the smaller application. So, variables could explain difference in findings. That said, our ultimate filter choice here is the same.
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Recently a Fram in a Mazda, was found with the adbv on the way out of the filter into the center tube. On the Nissan my guess is the tall adbv space allows a lot of upward pull on the adbv, and if the leaf spring gets weakened like from dropping at some point, the valve comes away from the end cap more easily and slides up. It’s still far better than the Fram example. A traditional Fram has no groove at all for the adbv to hold into, it just sits on top of the base plate.
If the guts inside a filter are loose enough for whatever reason, the ADBV could still get swept through the gap and sent into the engine. Hot rubber or silicone is pretty flexible, and all it takes is enough dP across the filter to push it through a large enough gap.
Carquest, wouldn't even consider the others.
Sorry to refute, but in my assessment, we are at that point were it is problematic. The biggest issue I have encountered with proper engine operation in the past 20 years** has been undersized and/or high efficiency oil AND air filters. Proven by immediate improvement with the filter changeout. Not bench racing and not my imagination.
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** other than poor fuel quality
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I see your point, but on the Gohner made in Mexico filters seen, the steel end cap has a tubular projection which goes over a protruding base thread very closely. It presses into a recess in the adbv. The original frams use the adbv as the do all. The Nissan Gohner adbv may stretch and slide up the protrusion, but that’s it. No path to inside if adbv just loosened. The frams can fold over inside and go into the filter outlet.
Most Asian made filters use the adbv with a recess and a steel protrusion on the end cap design, but with a coil spring which allows for recovery if the filter is dropped hard.
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I don't think it's "problematic" on engines in good shape, and those that follow the OM maintenance schedule. The filter size might be a problem if someone uses a small oil filter on a dirty engine, or on an engine they are using a cleaner or an oil like Valvoline R&P, and a bunch of added debris gets in the oil. It's really only problematic in certain outlier conditions.
My experience over multiple applications says otherwise. It all started decades ago selecting a high efficieny Bosch then immediatly having excesive engine racket. Maybe this racket is acceptable for some but transitioning from quiet operation to noisy post OCI says one of two things could be the culprit here: Filter or oil.
We used to blame the oil - even on this forum. I was guessing lost prime. But pulling the Bosch (Champ) and installing a low efficieny STP Jobber (Champ) was an immediate correction. Yes it does not make "common" sense. I can only assume there is another mechanism at play that is not being considered.
Most here will continue to say something else is at play, that it is not the filter.
Tangentially in Hi Fi audio I discovered (for myself) in the 80's that different Turntable mats made a huge difference in SQ. Shocking. Mats that kept the same stylus geometry. Same effect with signal Interconnects and those poor though ubiquitous RCA phono plugs terminations. I direct wired a Preamp to the Power amp input board ditching the terminations. Result? Shocking improvement in SQ.
I have many other examples. You heard some of those repeated too many times
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