There's nothing significantly different between them other the Boron.please explain
There's nothing significantly different between them other the Boron.please explain
Not Moly?There's nothing significantly different between them other the Boron.
Meh. IMO it's silly to attempt to pull some sort of performance difference from minor differences in ppm of moly. We don't even know what type of moly is used. Seems like a useless exerciseNot Moly?
Not quite true, @MolaKule posted a few years ago about HM oils, that they have higher levels of additives (antioxidants & seal conditioners mainly, IIRC) and that there would be zero detriment to an engine if you started using those oils on Day 1 of an engine’s life. That’s hardly a “snake oil” in my book…Chances are it's a bit of a 'snake oil sales pitch' which I must admit to buying into...
Certifications determine what an oil is or isn’t applicable for use in, not a ~$30 oil analysis. If all the oils carry the same certifications, you will never be able to pin a failure (or success, for that matter) onto a given oil with anything more than emotions.please explain
Yep, look at API license requirements (or any manufacturer approval requirements) and see how many of them are obtained by a typical values PDS or spectrographic analysis. Nowhere does it say a "slug of boron" or "dose of moly"Certifications determine what an oil is or isn’t applicable for use in, not a ~$30 oil analysis. If all the oils carry the same certifications, you will never be able to pin a failure (or success, for that matter) onto a given oil with anything more than emotions.
agreed. which brings up a question........i wonder how many lubrication related failures there are, assuming use of the proper spec? and how many might be misdiagnosed as part failure?Certifications determine what an oil is or isn’t applicable for use in, not a ~$30 oil analysis. If all the oils carry the same certifications, you will never be able to pin a failure (or success, for that matter) onto a given oil with anything more than emotions
Apparently the bump in oxidation is tangible evidence. From what I understand, typical synthetic (non-HM) oils have a virgin oxidation value around 4 or less. This link should jump you to the part of the video where this is discussed:
Now at 970 miles on this oil and the dipstick is about 15% below the full mark. On my previous oil (PP Euro L), at 900 miles I was already 40% below the full mark. So I'm still losing oil, just at a much slower rate.Here's an update. I filled my 03 Civic with M1 EP HM 5W30 at my last oil change. I based my oil choice on M1 having the highest starting oxidation of the HM oils I had analyzed in this thread. From what I gathered, higher virgin oxidation indicates more seal conditioning esters.
I am now 700 miles into my oil change and the dipstick is still reading at the full mark. Previous oil was Pennzoil Platinum Euro L (a much higher viscosity oil than the M1), and after 600 miles the oil level had already dropped 25% on the dipstick. So maybe there is something to these seal conditioners...
It’s a GPIII base stock with a very ROBUST add pack from what Ive toldAmsoil now has a line of High-Mileage oils, just as an FYI.
Amsoil now has a line of High-Mileage oils, just as an FYI.
And robust or not …Yep, look at API license requirements (or any manufacturer approval requirements) and see how many of them are obtained by a typical values PDS or spectrographic analysis. Nowhere does it say a "slug of boron" or "dose of moly"
Already in the database, thanks. I know because that's my VOAQuaker State HM
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