2018 Transit transmission replacement costs

michaelluscher said:
Sounds like my wheel time with a 2013 Focus with the lousy DPS6 Powershift DCT 🤔

Sorry to hear about the failure OP, keeping a late model vehicle on the road doesn't seem to be getting any cheaper 😔
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Our list of work trucks in the 10 years I've been at my employer:
2002, 2005, 2010, 2013, 2015, 2017, 2017, 2018, 2018
Keep in mind the older trucks in general had more miles on them. The newer trucks are around 100k miles.

One of each 2017+2018 have needed transmission replacement. 2017 Silverado 8 speed and 2018 ford 10 speed, however the 2017 ford 6 speed also seems to be ready to let go. The 2018 Silverado has the least miles (under 100k) and has a funny sound on cold start. Could be normal with direct injection but I have a feeling the 5.3 is going to eat a lifter.
 
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bullwinkle said:
The 10R80 in the '21 in my sig had a fluid flush at 60K (had to be done at the stealer with a heated flush machine, ATF was BLACK), didn't help it a bit. We had one down for 4 months, couldn't get the parts for it, now mine is getting worse at 85K, and we have several others going at under 100K. The 6R80s were almost bulletproof, except the flimsy TCCs.
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Yep, individual examples are always fun to read about but the aggregate data from thousands of owners is what tells us the real story. Just curious, what percentage of 10R80s do you think fail before say, 125k?
 
350Rocket said:
The one we have at work failed around 55k. Now the 6R80 in the 2017 is shuddering and squawking during shifts. It has just over 100k. These are also heavily loaded and not used gently. After riding with the one guy a couple times, I'm not sure how they got 14 years and over 250k miles out of the previous 2 2004 Chevy's (this is another local surveying company my boss bought out).
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Yeah, not sure. Most of the 10R80s have some clunky shifting, but are generally reliable. Some are not, I get that.
 
year or so ago, My uncle had to replace the 8f35 in his 75k mi Lincoln Nautilus (MKX/Ford Edge)
Dealer quoted ~$8k to replace it. He contacted Lincoln, got them to pick up 1/2 ($4k) (this is the 5th Lincoln he's bought new since '05 - Traveling sales rep. usually drives them to about 150k mi)

edit - he did talk to a local transmission shop, their estimate was around 5-6k. and doing it there, there would obviously no help from Ford/Lincoln
 
earlyre said:
year or so ago, My uncle had to replace the 8f35 in his 75k mi Lincoln Nautilus (MKX/Ford Edge)
Dealer quoted ~$8k to replace it. He contacted Lincoln, got them to pick up 1/2 ($4k) (this is the 5th Lincoln he's bought new since '05 - Traveling sales rep. usually drives them to about 150k mi)

edit - he did talk to a local transmission shop, their estimate was around 5-6k. and doing it there, there would obviously no help from Ford/Lincoln
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The quote from Ford dealers have been about $7,500.00-per the F150 boards.
 
Method said:
Yep, individual examples are always fun to read about but the aggregate data from thousands of owners is what tells us the real story. Just curious, what percentage of 10R80s do you think fail before say, 125k?
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The point being is that the GM's version of the ten speed isn't failing in the numbers the F-150's are. Nor-are the reports of "clunky shifting" as widespread. I just traded a clunky, sloppy, unrefined 10 speed in a 2020 F150 w/40,000 miles on a 2023 Silverado w/the 5.3 and 10 speed. The refinement difference between the two is nothing short of dramatic. And it's a shame because the 3.5 is one impressive motor-hampered by a less than stellar transmission.
So yea-I can comment because I have experience with both trucks.
 
CKN said:
The point being is that the GM's version of the ten speed isn't failing in the numbers the F-150's are. Nor-are the reports of "clunky shifting" as widespread. I just traded a clunky, sloppy, unrefined 10 speed in a 2020 F150 w/40,000 miles on a 2023 Silverado w/the 5.3 and 10 speed. The refinement difference between the two is nothing short of dramatic. And it's a shame because the 3.5 is one impressive motor-hampered by a less than stellar transmission.
So yea-I can comment because I have experience with both trucks.
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have owned many - my GM 10 speed is the smoothest ever
 
CKN said:
The point being is that the GM's version of the ten speed isn't failing in the numbers the F-150's are. Nor-are the reports of "clunky shifting" as widespread. I just traded a clunky, sloppy, unrefined 10 speed in a 2020 F150 w/40,000 miles on a 2023 Silverado w/the 5.3 and 10 speed. The refinement difference between the two is nothing short of dramatic. And it's a shame because the 3.5 is one impressive motor-hampered by a less than stellar transmission.
So yea-I can comment because I have experience with both trucks.
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GM also isn't putting the 10-speed in everything. Ford is using it pretty much across the line in everything RWD where GM uses their 8-speed in most things. They probably have far less 10-speeds on the road.

Not saying that is the only reason, just that there's a pile less of them on the road.

And yes, there are class actions in the works on GM's versions as well.

Take the blinders off and it isn't just a Ford problem.

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ctechbob said:
GM also isn't putting the 10-speed in everything. Ford is using it pretty much across the line in everything RWD where GM uses their 8-speed in most things. They probably have far less 10 speeds on the road.

Not saying that is the only reason, just that there's a pile less of them on the road.

And yes, there are class actions in the work on GM's versions as well.

Take the blinders off and it isn't just a Ford problem.

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I understand there are complaints-but not as near as many. I am talking trucks. There is a large take on the 5.3 with the ten speed. Also combine the Silverado and Sierra sales (mechanically identical)-and many times the numbers exceed Fords. It takes very little motivation for Lawyers to file a class action-we all know who comes out FAR AHEAD on those.
Have you owned both-as I have?
 
Is a shared design the same as manufactured the same? Controls the same? Programmed the same? Worked with ATF engineers the same? QA/QC the same? Vendors the same? Testing the same? Motivated the same? And why is one 10 speed rated for higher output?
 
4WD said:
Is a shared design the same as manufactured the same? Controls the same? Programmed the same? Worked with ATF engineers the same? QA/QC the same? Vendors the same? Testing the same? Motivated the same? And why is one 10 speed rated for higher output?
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The basic design. (It's my understanding is the same). Different internals-by different suppliers, totally different software,etc. THEY ARE DIFFERENT. They are manufactured in totally different factories. We know Ford's quality control is abysmal-as they wear the recall crown.
 
CKN said:
The basic design. (It's my understanding is the same). Different internals-by different suppliers, totally different software,etc. THEY ARE DIFFERENT. They are manufactured in totally different factories. We know Ford's quality control is abysmal-as they wear the recall crown.
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Probably the case with Mopar -vs- ZF as well … not saying either is bad …
(And having one, sure hope not) 😶
 
The Critic said:
What is your criteria for disposal? Repair cost > ACV?
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That's part of it. Another is how it impacts my P&L. This is fully depreciated and slated for replacement at 175k. I can send it to Copart and it'll be a positive on my P&L or take a hit for this transmission plus future repairs. I can also pull vehicles that are partially or fully depreciated from other cost centers. I've decided to just park this at one of the offices and if we need it we'll repair it, otherwise it goes to auction. Driver has been moved into a spare we had.
 
Method said:
Yeah, not sure. Most of the 10R80s have some clunky shifting, but are generally reliable. Some are not, I get that.
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A friend of a friend stays very busy doing 10 speed transmission replacements. I think the percentage of failure is much higher than you think, at least the first couple years of them.

And yes our work truck is apparently still clunky, but at least it doesn't lose drive at stoplights like it did progressively worse before the 3 month replacement process.
 
dishdude said:
That's part of it. Another is how it impacts my P&L. This is fully depreciated and slated for replacement at 175k. I can send it to Copart and it'll be a positive on my P&L or take a hit for this transmission plus future repairs. I can also pull vehicles that are partially or fully depreciated from other cost centers. I've decided to just park this at one of the offices and if we need it we'll repair it, otherwise it goes to auction. Driver has been moved into a spare we had.
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The cost to repair is able to be written off as an expense. The new vehicle will be a depreciating asset (DDB maybe?). Anyway, cost in the long run versus short term is still better to repair unless you are a publicly traded company with quarterlies. Of course, that's IMO. YMMV
 
350Rocket said:
A friend of a friend stays very busy doing 10 speed transmission replacements. I think the percentage of failure is much higher than you think, at least the first couple years of them.

And yes our work truck is apparently still clunky, but at least it doesn't lose drive at stoplights like it did progressively worse before the 3 month replacement process.
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"A friend of a friend' eh? Sounds believable, lol.

Just curious, what percentage of 10 speeds do you think are defective? I'm not talking about a mysterious 'friend of a friend'.....what do YOU think?
 
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