2017 Pentastar - tick on startup

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Originally Posted By: webfors
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: webfors
Would you tow in hot temps with Valvoline 5w20 conventional Overkill?


Yes, I'd do it with 0w-20 without batting an eye with the Wife's Durango with the same engine as you
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Hmmmm.. seriously? You're ok with your oil hitting high 5 cSt under load, towing up a mountain at low speeds?


Yes.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: webfors
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: webfors
Would you tow in hot temps with Valvoline 5w20 conventional Overkill?


Yes, I'd do it with 0w-20 without batting an eye with the Wife's Durango with the same engine as you
smile.gif




Hmmmm.. seriously? You're ok with your oil hitting high 5 cSt under load, towing up a mountain at low speeds?


Yes.


You're making me reconsider that Valvoline 5w20 conventional stash on my oil shelf.
 
Originally Posted By: webfors
This is a cartridge filter. The center tube is plastic cage with probably 5% restriction max (pulled that number out of my rear but you get the point). The ADBV is built into the housing.


Then that leaves the element causing all the restriction.
 
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: webfors
This is a cartridge filter. The center tube is plastic cage with probably 5% restriction max (pulled that number out of my rear but you get the point). The ADBV is built into the housing.


Then that leaves the element causing all the restriction.


Heading to the dealer to get a OEM filter today. If that solves the issue I'll cancel the dealer visit scheduled for tomorrow.

Any idea where you can get these OEM Mopar filters for less than the $16 the dealer charges for them?
 
Originally Posted By: webfors
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: webfors
This is a cartridge filter. The center tube is plastic cage with probably 5% restriction max (pulled that number out of my rear but you get the point). The ADBV is built into the housing.


Then that leaves the element causing all the restriction.


Heading to the dealer to get a OEM filter today. If that solves the issue I'll cancel the dealer visit scheduled for tomorrow.

Any idea where you can get these OEM Mopar filters for less than the $16 the dealer charges for them?


$10 at Walmart. fram ultra are even cheaper at Walmart.
 
I would give Castrol Magnatec a go after you settle the filter issues. There are lots of stories on here of users liking the way it quiets down their engines.
 
Being that's it's a cartridge filter setup, will the engine run without a filter?

That would be quick check to see if flow through the filter is causing the ticking issue.
 
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Being that's it's a cartridge filter setup, will the engine run without a filter?

That would be quick check to see if flow through the filter is causing the ticking issue.


Not sure I'm willing to try that :P

I swapped the filter out tonight to the OEM Mopar filter.

The construction of the Mopar did not appear as well made as the Fram. However it did have 8 more pleats and was a fraction shorter (like half a mm).
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: webfors
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: webfors
Would you tow in hot temps with Valvoline 5w20 conventional Overkill?


Yes, I'd do it with 0w-20 without batting an eye with the Wife's Durango with the same engine as you
smile.gif




Hmmmm.. seriously? You're ok with your oil hitting high 5 cSt under load, towing up a mountain at low speeds?


Yes.


That seems a little extreme IMO.
 
Originally Posted By: webfors


That seems a little extreme IMO.


The engine is designed for it. If they can spec 5w-20 for it in a 1-ton van, obviously they aren't concerned about it having an impact on durability, as that application, loaded to the gills, is going to put far more strain on that little engine than anything you can possibly do to it in your van.

If they were concerned, they'd spec the 0w-40 for it for "extreme use" like they do with the 6.4L.
 
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: webfors
I swapped the filter out tonight to the OEM Mopar filter.


Well, is the tick still there ?


Yes, still there.

It only lasts for 1-2 seconds until oil reaches the top end. So this is definitely oil related, or more specifically related to the engine design not being able to keep oil from draining back into the oil pan... isn't that what an ADBV is for?
 
Originally Posted By: StevieC
It can also be a lifter draining down and not just the oil filter.


Please elaborate. I have a dealer visit tomorrow to review with them.
 
Originally Posted By: StevieC
It can also be a lifter draining down and not just the oil filter.


Yes, it can be an HLA bleeding down or it can also be a chain tensioner.
 
Originally Posted By: webfors
Originally Posted By: StevieC
It can also be a lifter draining down and not just the oil filter.


Please elaborate. I have a dealer visit tomorrow to review with them.


Your engine has HLA's (Hydraulic Lash Adjusters) which keep tension on the roller followers that ride on the cam lobes, which in turn actuate the valves. You can see the roller followers and the "channel" the HLA's sit down into (to get fed oil) in this picture:

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These HLA's have a spring and plunger in them just like a traditional flat-tappet or roller "lifter" and they are fed oil, whilst the spring is supposed to keep them somewhat expanded when there is no oil pressure. Sometimes these bleed down which causes them to be loose, which then results in a brief period of "ticking" until they are pumped up again.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: StevieC
It can also be a lifter draining down and not just the oil filter.


Yes, it can be an HLA bleeding down or it can also be a chain tensioner.


Sorry that is what I meant.
 
My Santa Fe HLA's would bleed down all the time even after being parked only an hour. On cold days it would tick really loudly. I tried every sort of additive and oil weight to fix this and nothing would fix it. I found out it was common and just left it be. It never caused any long term issues and make it to 300,000 miles before dying of something else.
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Originally Posted By: StevieC
My Santa Fe HLA's would bleed down all the time even after being parked only an hour. On cold days it would tick really loudly. I tried every sort of additive and oil weight to fix this and nothing would fix it. I found out it was common and just left it be. It never caused any long term issues and make it to 300,000 miles before dying of something else.
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Yes, it can be a very common issue for certain engine families and generally has no impact on longevity or performance.
 
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