2016 Durango Limited

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Originally Posted By: Srt20
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
So it has quadratrac?


If that's the Jeep name for it on the JGC, then yup, LOL!


No its not quadratrac. Its actually just a cheap 3 wheel spin system. Good for road driving. Not so good for off road. Not that anybody takes a durango off road.

I have a AWD Durango. Its a nice vehicle.


So open in the front? If that's the case, the same as the Expedition, which has a clutched unit in the rear but an open front. I was under the impression (and I could be wrong) that these more modern iterations of that system use the brakes to shift the power to the wheel with traction in the open diff scenario
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Nice! Too bad it has to see winter.

4x4?


AWD (no 4x4 selector). It is basically a stretched Jeep Grand Cherokee in Dodge dress, as was pointed out to me by a poster on here back when we first were looking at them.

Yeah, unfortunately it will get salt exposure, so she'll be getting sprayed within the next week or so to hopefully prevent rust on it.


Its actually a clone to the Mercedes GL suv, in Dodge wrap. This gen Durango came out in 11, and was designed by Daimler/Chrysler. Same unibody as the GL, just different bolt-ons.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Srt20
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
So it has quadratrac?


If that's the Jeep name for it on the JGC, then yup, LOL!


No its not quadratrac. Its actually just a cheap 3 wheel spin system. Good for road driving. Not so good for off road. Not that anybody takes a durango off road.

I have a AWD Durango. Its a nice vehicle.


So open in the front? If that's the case, the same as the Expedition, which has a clutched unit in the rear but an open front. I was under the impression (and I could be wrong) that these more modern iterations of that system use the brakes to shift the power to the wheel with traction in the open diff scenario
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Open front and open back. It might have a lock-up in the rear, but I doubt it. I stopped on an incline in gravel, and tried to take off. I dug down. I had to back up and get a running start.

Like I said, its fine for snowy roads, no good for offroad.
 
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Originally Posted By: Srt20
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Nice! Too bad it has to see winter.

4x4?


AWD (no 4x4 selector). It is basically a stretched Jeep Grand Cherokee in Dodge dress, as was pointed out to me by a poster on here back when we first were looking at them.

Yeah, unfortunately it will get salt exposure, so she'll be getting sprayed within the next week or so to hopefully prevent rust on it.


Its actually a clone to the Mercedes GL suv, in Dodge wrap. This gen Durango came out in 11, and was designed by Daimler/Chrysler. Same unibody as the GL, just different bolt-ons.


So then the JGC is built on the same platform? I ask because the Wiki on them states:

Quote:
The third-generation Durango is built alongside the Jeep Grand Cherokee at the Jefferson Assembly Plant in Detroit, Michigan, sharing the assembly line, running gear, powertrains, and chassis parts with the Grand Cherokee.

Quote:
The wheelbase of the Durango is longer than that of the Grand Cherokee. It features three rows of seating compared to the Grand Cherokee's two rows.


And it states both it and the Jeep are related to three different Mercedes platforms including the GLE.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Srt20
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
So it has quadratrac?


If that's the Jeep name for it on the JGC, then yup, LOL!


No its not quadratrac. Its actually just a cheap 3 wheel spin system. Good for road driving. Not so good for off road. Not that anybody takes a durango off road.

I have a AWD Durango. Its a nice vehicle.


So open in the front? If that's the case, the same as the Expedition, which has a clutched unit in the rear but an open front. I was under the impression (and I could be wrong) that these more modern iterations of that system use the brakes to shift the power to the wheel with traction in the open diff scenario
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I'm sure the TC acts as a reasonable form of diff lock, I was just playing around with CRV and even pretty much balanced on two wheels, it will put enough power down to climb a moderate slope with TC on, with it off its two wheel peeling.
Nice truck though, its my favorite 7 seater mostly on road SUV. I've driven the grand cherokee with the 3.6 and 5 spd and was very impressed with the whole vehicle. There is alot of room in front of the motor too with the V6 which may be handy some day.
 
Originally Posted By: IndyIan

I'm sure the TC acts as a reasonable form of diff lock, I was just playing around with CRV and even pretty much balanced on two wheels, it will put enough power down to climb a moderate slope with TC on, with it off its two wheel peeling.
Nice truck though, its my favorite 7 seater mostly on road SUV. I've driven the grand cherokee with the 3.6 and 5 spd and was very impressed with the whole vehicle. There is alot of room in front of the motor too with the V6 which may be handy some day.


That's what I was thinking, as that's how these things normally operate. My wife's R/T didn't have a clutched rear diff, which I thought was strange, so I guess it isn't too surprising that this may not either
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All my Ford's had "T-Lok" diff's including my Town Car, LOL! So it is something I just expect vehicles to have. The one in the Expedition is pretty tight and can be annoying at times but it does work well in situations where the traction is needed.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Srt20
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Nice! Too bad it has to see winter.

4x4?


AWD (no 4x4 selector). It is basically a stretched Jeep Grand Cherokee in Dodge dress, as was pointed out to me by a poster on here back when we first were looking at them.

Yeah, unfortunately it will get salt exposure, so she'll be getting sprayed within the next week or so to hopefully prevent rust on it.


Its actually a clone to the Mercedes GL suv, in Dodge wrap. This gen Durango came out in 11, and was designed by Daimler/Chrysler. Same unibody as the GL, just different bolt-ons.


So then the JGC is built on the same platform? I ask because the Wiki on them states:

Quote:
The third-generation Durango is built alongside the Jeep Grand Cherokee at the Jefferson Assembly Plant in Detroit, Michigan, sharing the assembly line, running gear, powertrains, and chassis parts with the Grand Cherokee.

Quote:
The wheelbase of the Durango is longer than that of the Grand Cherokee. It features three rows of seating compared to the Grand Cherokee's two rows.


And it states both it and the Jeep are related to three different Mercedes platforms including the GLE.


I assume the JGC is on same platform, but I don't know for sure, because I never looked into them. I was after 3 row only. I do know that the AWD and JGC AWD or 4x4 are completely different.

dodgedurango.net is a decent forum.
 
Congrats, I have its 2014 twin...same trim, color and wheel package. Speaking of the wheels, watch out for curbs. A scratched rim set me back $895.
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You picked the best one between it and the Journey. My wife likes her Journey, but it has been the more problematic of the two. It's in the shop now (4th time since we brought her home) with a busted flex plate. The D is the better designed vehicle IMO.

Anywho, great minds must think alike cause you picked an awesome ride.
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Originally Posted By: Srt20


Open front and open back. It might have a lock-up in the rear, but I doubt it. I stopped on an incline in gravel, and tried to take off. I dug down. I had to back up and get a running start.

Like I said, its fine for snowy roads, no good for offroad.


Just did a quick forum troll and it APPEARS as though you need/needed to get the R/T to get electronically assisted limited slip in the rear, but it doesn't show up in any of the data sheets after 2012:

Dodge Durango 2012 Data Sheet
 
Originally Posted By: Srt20


I assume the JGC is on same platform, but I don't know for sure, because I never looked into them. I was after 3 row only. I do know that the AWD and JGC AWD or 4x4 are completely different.

dodgedurango.net is a decent forum.


Gotcha. I'm guessing the Wiki is correct and they are the same platform.

Regarding the AWD being different, they both appear to use the same Transfer Case(s).

The V6 Durango uses the MP 3010 Transfer case. On the Jeep the system that uses that transfer case is labelled "Quadra-Trac Active On Demand" and comes with an electronic locking rear diff (unlike the Durango).
The V8 Durango uses the MP 3023 Transfer case. On the Jeep the system that uses that transfer case is labelled "Quadra-Trac II". It was available with an optional rear electronic limited slip.

This information comes from here:

Jeep Transfer Cases 2011-up
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Srt20


I assume the JGC is on same platform, but I don't know for sure, because I never looked into them. I was after 3 row only. I do know that the AWD and JGC AWD or 4x4 are completely different.

dodgedurango.net is a decent forum.


Gotcha. I'm guessing the Wiki is correct and they are the same platform.

Regarding the AWD being different, they both appear to use the same Transfer Case(s).

The V6 Durango uses the MP 3010 Transfer case. On the Jeep the system that uses that transfer case is labelled "Quadra-Trac Active On Demand" and comes with an electronic locking rear diff (unlike the Durango).
The V8 Durango uses the MP 3023 Transfer case. On the Jeep the system that uses that transfer case is labelled "Quadra-Trac II". It was available with an optional rear electronic limited slip.

This information comes from here:

Jeep Transfer Cases 2011-up


Well its been a couple years since I checked into this so maybe Im wrong, but I don't think the durango is "on demand". I believe its AWD, all the time. 50% power to front 50% power to rear, all the time.

The hemi deranges have a 4x4 shift knob. 2wd, 4hi, N, 4lo.
 
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Here is a couple good links

http://www.allpar.com/SUVs/dodge/durango-14.html

http://www.allpar.com/SUVs/dodge/dur-14-specs.html


This is an email from Dodge

The ITC (Integrated Transfer Case) is a single-speed transfer case. It provides convenient full-time 4-wheel drive. The transfer case operates with an open center differential dividing engine torque 50 percent torque to the front axle and 50 of torque to the rear axle. The Brake Traction Control System, which combines standard ABS and Traction Control, provides resistance to any wheel that is slipping to allow additional torque transfer to wheels with traction. The MP2010 single-speed transfer case provides the following benefits: Full-time 4-wheel drive provides smooth operation and vehicle stability under all conditions because torque is constantly being transferred. •The Brake Traction Control System (BTCS) works in tandem with full-time 4 wheel drive. BTCS provides resistance to any wheel that is slipping to allow additional torque transfer to wheels with traction.
 
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: gabriel9766
3.6 or hemi?


We went for the 3.6L. We've had two HEMI's: the 6.4L in my SRT and my wife's R/T had the 350HP 5.7L, however since she never tows anything and it will be her daily, we couldn't justify the extra cost or fuel consumption. The 3.6L has tons of get-up and go and winds right up, so it will be more than adequate for her usage profile. The 8spd transmission complements it extremely well, keeping it in its power band.


I just drove a T&C with the 3.6 and it felt pretty doggy. Maybe the 8 speed has something to do with the peppiness of yours. Congrats on the new ride! They look pretty handsome.
 
Originally Posted By: Srt20


Well its been a couple years since I checked into this so maybe Im wrong, but I don't think the durango is "on demand". I believe its AWD, all the time. 50% power to front 50% power to rear, all the time.

The hemi deranges have a 4x4 shift knob. 2wd, 4hi, N, 4lo.


From that site I linked:

Quote:
The MP3010 is a single speed transfer case which provides convenient full-time all-wheel-drive. No driver interaction is required. The DTCM module governs the torque split between the front and rear axle. Driving down a straight line on a dry surface the transfer case sends 47 percent of the torque to the front axle and 53 percent of torque to the rear axle. This four-wheel drive (4WD) system allows front and rear wheels to rotate at different speeds when required by the road condition or road surface.


Sounds like they might have changed the power split for the Durango, as it is, as you noted, 50/50, whilst they list 47/53 for the JGC. And of course the Durango didn't get the electronic locker in the rear.

The Hemi Durango gets the MP 3023 as of 2015. 2014 and earlier appear to have the MP 3022. The MP 3023 is the Quadra-Trac II Transfer Case and from that same site I linked earlier:

Quote:
The Quadra-Trac® II is the MP3023 two-speed, on-demand, active four-wheel drive transfer case that provides optimum traction for a wide range of conditions, while maximizing driver convenience. When operating in 4WD Auto mode, this sophisticated system anticipates and prevents slip by redirecting torque as necessary.

For added traction capability when traversing steep grades, rough terrain or extremely poor traction surfaces, the transfer case includes a 4WD Low mode. This second speed gear multiplies engine torque 2.72 times and locks the clutch pack for maximum traction.

Electric shifting between 4WD AUTO and 4WD Low is effected with a console-mounted switch. A pushpin button is used to shift to Neutral mode.


There is a longer write-up on that site if you are interested.

So it sounds like the systems are, for all intents and purposes, identical to their Jeep cousins with the exception of the lack of electronic limited slip, at least from what I can see. Which makes perfect sense considering they share everything else and come down the same assembly line.
 
Originally Posted By: Srt20
Here is a couple good links

http://www.allpar.com/SUVs/dodge/durango-14.html

http://www.allpar.com/SUVs/dodge/dur-14-specs.html


This is an email from Dodge

The ITC (Integrated Transfer Case) is a single-speed transfer case. It provides convenient full-time 4-wheel drive. The transfer case operates with an open center differential dividing engine torque 50 percent torque to the front axle and 50 of torque to the rear axle. The Brake Traction Control System, which combines standard ABS and Traction Control, provides resistance to any wheel that is slipping to allow additional torque transfer to wheels with traction. The MP2010 single-speed transfer case provides the following benefits: Full-time 4-wheel drive provides smooth operation and vehicle stability under all conditions because torque is constantly being transferred. •The Brake Traction Control System (BTCS) works in tandem with full-time 4 wheel drive. BTCS provides resistance to any wheel that is slipping to allow additional torque transfer to wheels with traction.


Odd that they mention the MP 2010, as that transfer case does not appear in the Dodge build sheets for the Durango, only the MP 3010, 3022 and 3023 depending on the years that I can see. Unless maybe it was used pre-2012
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The MP 2010 is the standard 2011 T-case in the Laredo and called "Quadra-Trac I ".
 
Originally Posted By: gregk24
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: gabriel9766
3.6 or hemi?


We went for the 3.6L. We've had two HEMI's: the 6.4L in my SRT and my wife's R/T had the 350HP 5.7L, however since she never tows anything and it will be her daily, we couldn't justify the extra cost or fuel consumption. The 3.6L has tons of get-up and go and winds right up, so it will be more than adequate for her usage profile. The 8spd transmission complements it extremely well, keeping it in its power band.


I just drove a T&C with the 3.6 and it felt pretty doggy. Maybe the 8 speed has something to do with the peppiness of yours. Congrats on the new ride! They look pretty handsome.


Might be. The van may be tuned differently as well. I imagine the 8spd definitely plays a role.
 
What a beauty. Nice choice given the white stuff all over it!

That Durango is a thoroughly modern platform, I am sure she will LOVE it.

Where is Itman to dog you about buying MOPAR?
 
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