2014 Chevy 1500 0w20
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I think tig1 was simply trying to get the thread back on track, not questioning GM's specification of 0W-20. I don't question their oil spec either, but to be sure, there had to be a fair number of discussions on what they're going to print on the oil cap, and what the compromises are either way.
Well going by GM's past history if you run the oil they spec by the OLM you pretty much get unlimited engine life. Well to the point where the vehicle is shot or your tired of it.
So I'm sure they figured it out.
So I'm sure they figured it out.
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Do you think they will back spec for older models like other companies have?
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
It shares noting with the old 4.3 except size. It is a basically a LS based V6. 292 HP and north of 300 ft/lbs of torque. Again for Bob is the oil guy GM haters and GM know nothings the only thing it shares is displacement.
Enjoy the rest of your night.
I heard they installed a new hamster in a larger wheel...
It shares noting with the old 4.3 except size. It is a basically a LS based V6. 292 HP and north of 300 ft/lbs of torque. Again for Bob is the oil guy GM haters and GM know nothings the only thing it shares is displacement.
Enjoy the rest of your night.
I heard they installed a new hamster in a larger wheel...
Originally Posted By: ChevyBadger
Do you think they will back spec for older models like other companies have?
I'd be surprised the 2014 motors are new and not just carry overs.
The 4.3 for example only shares displacement with the outgoing 4.3, new motor, new oil.
Do you think they will back spec for older models like other companies have?
I'd be surprised the 2014 motors are new and not just carry overs.
The 4.3 for example only shares displacement with the outgoing 4.3, new motor, new oil.
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Haven't figured out why they would keep a V6. I mean, yes, they have nice 1L steps in power/size, and can charge for that; but instead of having three rather similar engines that may have overlap in parts (same heads, rods, whatever) now they have two very different engine blocks. Beats me.
Trucks that sticker over 40k... Ouch. I know I overpaid on mine, but being used it was far less than that. Still, a lot of money. I guess if you use your truck to make money it's worth it.
0W20. Only been in use for what, a couple decades now? We'll see how the new GM motors hold up. That said, last I knew the GM LS motors were not known for having many issues, least of all oil related ones. GM may have its faults, but engines do not seem to be one of them.
I haven't made up my mind on this power density thing yet. In a car, yes, makes sense. You're on the throttle a small part of the time. In truck, where you might be on it for minutes at a time, pulling up a hill? Used to be, the more stressed an engine was, the faster it wore out. Maybe that is old now, and the newer motors don't wear like the old ones did.
Trucks that sticker over 40k... Ouch. I know I overpaid on mine, but being used it was far less than that. Still, a lot of money. I guess if you use your truck to make money it's worth it.
0W20. Only been in use for what, a couple decades now? We'll see how the new GM motors hold up. That said, last I knew the GM LS motors were not known for having many issues, least of all oil related ones. GM may have its faults, but engines do not seem to be one of them.
I haven't made up my mind on this power density thing yet. In a car, yes, makes sense. You're on the throttle a small part of the time. In truck, where you might be on it for minutes at a time, pulling up a hill? Used to be, the more stressed an engine was, the faster it wore out. Maybe that is old now, and the newer motors don't wear like the old ones did.
Originally Posted By: jimmy87
Originally Posted By: TechnoLoGs
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: jimmy87
the new 4.3 is based on the new v8's and not the old 5.7
So then "a" 4.3 is in the lineup, but "the" 4.3 is no longer with us
I have a 4.3. But it's a V6!
It is also from Chevy.
Push-rod beastlyness. That engine LOVES to make power.
(Also: My 4.3 V6 WAS based on the old 5.7.)
What? The new 4.3 is also a v6.
I think what he meant was this was designed from the ground up as a V6, not a V8 with 2 cylinders chopped off.
Originally Posted By: sciphi
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Originally Posted By: tig1
Have we forgoten? What about 0-20 in Chevy trucks?
I don't see why not, if that is what GM says. I personally hate to run anything that light if I maybe towing.
Lots of Fords running 5w-20 and towing. I don't hear stories of those blowing up.
Ford has been using 20 grade oil since the late 90s? Almost 20 years? NEVER hear of any oil related failures on the 4.6/5.4/6.8
Originally Posted By: TechnoLoGs
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: jimmy87
the new 4.3 is based on the new v8's and not the old 5.7
So then "a" 4.3 is in the lineup, but "the" 4.3 is no longer with us
I have a 4.3. But it's a V6!
It is also from Chevy.
Push-rod beastlyness. That engine LOVES to make power.
(Also: My 4.3 V6 WAS based on the old 5.7.)
What? The new 4.3 is also a v6.
I think what he meant was this was designed from the ground up as a V6, not a V8 with 2 cylinders chopped off.
Originally Posted By: sciphi
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Originally Posted By: tig1
Have we forgoten? What about 0-20 in Chevy trucks?
I don't see why not, if that is what GM says. I personally hate to run anything that light if I maybe towing.
Lots of Fords running 5w-20 and towing. I don't hear stories of those blowing up.
Ford has been using 20 grade oil since the late 90s? Almost 20 years? NEVER hear of any oil related failures on the 4.6/5.4/6.8
I guess I was luckly to spent only 16500k on my 2012 Silverado with 10k miles.
Originally Posted By: supton
Haven't figured out why they would keep a V6. I mean, yes, they have nice 1L steps in power/size, and can charge for that; but instead of having three rather similar engines that may have overlap in parts (same heads, rods, whatever) now they have two very different engine blocks. Beats me.
Trucks that sticker over 40k... Ouch. I know I overpaid on mine, but being used it was far less than that. Still, a lot of money. I guess if you use your truck to make money it's worth it.
0W20. Only been in use for what, a couple decades now? We'll see how the new GM motors hold up. That said, last I knew the GM LS motors were not known for having many issues, least of all oil related ones. GM may have its faults, but engines do not seem to be one of them.
I haven't made up my mind on this power density thing yet. In a car, yes, makes sense. You're on the throttle a small part of the time. In truck, where you might be on it for minutes at a time, pulling up a hill? Used to be, the more stressed an engine was, the faster it wore out. Maybe that is old now, and the newer motors don't wear like the old ones did.
The new engines use the same modular architecture that they always have. The new V6 is based on the new V8 designs and shares parts, etc. The place where they spent the money is on the cylinder heads. BIG bucks and new DI setup means very high efficiency. Power and mileage.
Loaded trucks are always expensive. I can buy a new Silverado right now for under 20 grand. BRAND NEW! But its a shameless stripped down loss leader that is rarely even seen. My 05 stickered at 42k and was purchased for 26k with 250 miles. So prices vary...
Our fleet GM vehicles engines outlast the trucks. Period. I have one with half a MILLION miles in hard commercial service. No leaks, no smoke, no taps/knocks/clicks. Never uses oil. Seems acceptable to me.
And you are off a bit on worrying over power density. GM has always dialed back on the 3500 series gas engines in the heaviest duty trucks. And the PCM's pull timing and fuel at the slightest hint of distress, you can't hurt them if you tried.
People here spew so much anti GM venom that it has become accepted as fact. It's not. I make my living with several GM products, and have for decades now. Excellent service and surprising residual value make them our favorite here.
And just a note, Ford does not even allow a warranty in our type of service! Give that some thought.
Haven't figured out why they would keep a V6. I mean, yes, they have nice 1L steps in power/size, and can charge for that; but instead of having three rather similar engines that may have overlap in parts (same heads, rods, whatever) now they have two very different engine blocks. Beats me.
Trucks that sticker over 40k... Ouch. I know I overpaid on mine, but being used it was far less than that. Still, a lot of money. I guess if you use your truck to make money it's worth it.
0W20. Only been in use for what, a couple decades now? We'll see how the new GM motors hold up. That said, last I knew the GM LS motors were not known for having many issues, least of all oil related ones. GM may have its faults, but engines do not seem to be one of them.
I haven't made up my mind on this power density thing yet. In a car, yes, makes sense. You're on the throttle a small part of the time. In truck, where you might be on it for minutes at a time, pulling up a hill? Used to be, the more stressed an engine was, the faster it wore out. Maybe that is old now, and the newer motors don't wear like the old ones did.
The new engines use the same modular architecture that they always have. The new V6 is based on the new V8 designs and shares parts, etc. The place where they spent the money is on the cylinder heads. BIG bucks and new DI setup means very high efficiency. Power and mileage.
Loaded trucks are always expensive. I can buy a new Silverado right now for under 20 grand. BRAND NEW! But its a shameless stripped down loss leader that is rarely even seen. My 05 stickered at 42k and was purchased for 26k with 250 miles. So prices vary...
Our fleet GM vehicles engines outlast the trucks. Period. I have one with half a MILLION miles in hard commercial service. No leaks, no smoke, no taps/knocks/clicks. Never uses oil. Seems acceptable to me.
And you are off a bit on worrying over power density. GM has always dialed back on the 3500 series gas engines in the heaviest duty trucks. And the PCM's pull timing and fuel at the slightest hint of distress, you can't hurt them if you tried.
People here spew so much anti GM venom that it has become accepted as fact. It's not. I make my living with several GM products, and have for decades now. Excellent service and surprising residual value make them our favorite here.
And just a note, Ford does not even allow a warranty in our type of service! Give that some thought.
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The LT1 we just got in is stickered at about $43k. On a side note, Jet-Spray Piston Cooling. Oil is injected onto the bottom of the piston and the cylinder walls at over 2000 psi for reduced piston temperature and to help maximize power. All aluminum engines for light weight.
Also has Deceleration Fuel Cutoff. Fuel is cut to the engines when you take your foot of the accelerator. When vehicle gets to idle speed or you need more power, it kicks back in.
Also has Deceleration Fuel Cutoff. Fuel is cut to the engines when you take your foot of the accelerator. When vehicle gets to idle speed or you need more power, it kicks back in.
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Originally Posted By: otis24
The LT1 we just got in is stickered at about $43k. On a side note, Jet-Spray Piston Cooling. Oil is injected onto the bottom of the piston and the cylinder walls at over 2000 psi for reduced piston temperature and to help maximize power. All aluminum engines for light weight.
Also has Deceleration Fuel Cutoff. Fuel is cut to the engines when you take your foot of the accelerator. When vehicle gets to idle speed or you need more power, it kicks back in.
All wonderful features found on many cars and trucks for many years, but where the millions were spent was on combustion chamber optimization and DI.
The LT1 we just got in is stickered at about $43k. On a side note, Jet-Spray Piston Cooling. Oil is injected onto the bottom of the piston and the cylinder walls at over 2000 psi for reduced piston temperature and to help maximize power. All aluminum engines for light weight.
Also has Deceleration Fuel Cutoff. Fuel is cut to the engines when you take your foot of the accelerator. When vehicle gets to idle speed or you need more power, it kicks back in.
All wonderful features found on many cars and trucks for many years, but where the millions were spent was on combustion chamber optimization and DI.
To GM trucks are one of their flagship trademarks and their cash cow. So if they are recommending 0W20 I am sure that recommendation was after many hours of testing and I will rest assured that they did their due diligence.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
The new engines use the same modular architecture that they always have. The new V6 is based on the new V8 designs and shares parts, etc. The place where they spent the money is on the cylinder heads. BIG bucks and new DI setup means very high efficiency. Power and mileage.
Loaded trucks are always expensive. I can buy a new Silverado right now for under 20 grand. BRAND NEW! But its a shameless stripped down loss leader that is rarely even seen. My 05 stickered at 42k and was purchased for 26k with 250 miles. So prices vary...
Our fleet GM vehicles engines outlast the trucks. Period. I have one with half a MILLION miles in hard commercial service. No leaks, no smoke, no taps/knocks/clicks. Never uses oil. Seems acceptable to me.
And you are off a bit on worrying over power density. GM has always dialed back on the 3500 series gas engines in the heaviest duty trucks. And the PCM's pull timing and fuel at the slightest hint of distress, you can't hurt them if you tried.
People here spew so much anti GM venom that it has become accepted as fact. It's not. I make my living with several GM products, and have for decades now. Excellent service and surprising residual value make them our favorite here.
And just a note, Ford does not even allow a warranty in our type of service! Give that some thought.
Isn't that what a pickup is supposed to be? Base model .. stripped down?
What do you do that voids Ford's warranty?
The new engines use the same modular architecture that they always have. The new V6 is based on the new V8 designs and shares parts, etc. The place where they spent the money is on the cylinder heads. BIG bucks and new DI setup means very high efficiency. Power and mileage.
Loaded trucks are always expensive. I can buy a new Silverado right now for under 20 grand. BRAND NEW! But its a shameless stripped down loss leader that is rarely even seen. My 05 stickered at 42k and was purchased for 26k with 250 miles. So prices vary...
Our fleet GM vehicles engines outlast the trucks. Period. I have one with half a MILLION miles in hard commercial service. No leaks, no smoke, no taps/knocks/clicks. Never uses oil. Seems acceptable to me.
And you are off a bit on worrying over power density. GM has always dialed back on the 3500 series gas engines in the heaviest duty trucks. And the PCM's pull timing and fuel at the slightest hint of distress, you can't hurt them if you tried.
People here spew so much anti GM venom that it has become accepted as fact. It's not. I make my living with several GM products, and have for decades now. Excellent service and surprising residual value make them our favorite here.
And just a note, Ford does not even allow a warranty in our type of service! Give that some thought.
Isn't that what a pickup is supposed to be? Base model .. stripped down?
What do you do that voids Ford's warranty?
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Isn't that what a pickup is supposed to be? Base model .. stripped down?
What do you do that voids Ford's warranty?
Obviously the people actually buying pickups disagree with you, as most are sold loaded. Some of the stuff is whacko even to me, but i don't want a stripper unless it's a work truck.
We use our vans as stationary power plants, taking power off a shaft driven from the front end of the engine. We also use a heat exchanger in the cooling system to heat water.
Go here to see what one looks like: http://butlersystem.com/butler-system-in-regular-and-extended-length-vans.html
Isn't that what a pickup is supposed to be? Base model .. stripped down?
What do you do that voids Ford's warranty?
Obviously the people actually buying pickups disagree with you, as most are sold loaded. Some of the stuff is whacko even to me, but i don't want a stripper unless it's a work truck.
We use our vans as stationary power plants, taking power off a shaft driven from the front end of the engine. We also use a heat exchanger in the cooling system to heat water.
Go here to see what one looks like: http://butlersystem.com/butler-system-in-regular-and-extended-length-vans.html
Yeah well 90% of 4wd trucks never do more than jump a curb. My 2wd WT sees more off road time on job sites than most of them...
Problem with a pricey off road vehicle, like my friends G wagon or any $60k pickup...well if anyone ever bothered to drive them off road on trails they find out real fast...lots of dents and scratch's from trees!
Brodozers, not good on road cause they are big, to jacked up to work, and to pricey and shiny to off road with. Ricers of the truck world.
Their natural habitat is the shopping mall parking lot...
Problem with a pricey off road vehicle, like my friends G wagon or any $60k pickup...well if anyone ever bothered to drive them off road on trails they find out real fast...lots of dents and scratch's from trees!
Brodozers, not good on road cause they are big, to jacked up to work, and to pricey and shiny to off road with. Ricers of the truck world.
Their natural habitat is the shopping mall parking lot...
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^^^haha, the above is so true.
I have always chuckled at 4wd in Florida...
I have always chuckled at 4wd in Florida...
I wish they had changed the appearance a bit more, very much an evolutionary redesign. The only one I've seen so far was at the car show (pre-production) but the current model is looking a bit dated compared to the competition so I fear the new one will shortly as well. Other than that, I like them. My buddy that uses a truck for work was impressed with the interior. He said it was a big step up in regards to usable storage space, he had [censored] piled in every hole in the trucks he has had.
As far as the 0w20, I wouldn't expect any issues but then many didn't expect that they would have to reprogram the OLM on the DI V6s either. I hope they did their homework a little better here. I'm not sure that keeping the 0w20 cool is as complicated as OCI length.
ls1mike, haters are going to do just that, nothing you say is going to fix that unfortunately. GM could bring out the cheapest truck with the most power that lasts forever with the mileage of a Cruze and some would still hate. It's just the way it is. Some can't see past the badge be it their brand or the one they dislike. Personally I've only owned one none GM up to this point but I don't know if that will continue or not.
As far as the 0w20, I wouldn't expect any issues but then many didn't expect that they would have to reprogram the OLM on the DI V6s either. I hope they did their homework a little better here. I'm not sure that keeping the 0w20 cool is as complicated as OCI length.
ls1mike, haters are going to do just that, nothing you say is going to fix that unfortunately. GM could bring out the cheapest truck with the most power that lasts forever with the mileage of a Cruze and some would still hate. It's just the way it is. Some can't see past the badge be it their brand or the one they dislike. Personally I've only owned one none GM up to this point but I don't know if that will continue or not.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Isn't that what a pickup is supposed to be? Base model .. stripped down?
What do you do that voids Ford's warranty?
Obviously the people actually buying pickups disagree with you, as most are sold loaded. Some of the stuff is whacko even to me, but i don't want a stripper unless it's a work truck.
We use our vans as stationary power plants, taking power off a shaft driven from the front end of the engine. We also use a heat exchanger in the cooling system to heat water.
Go here to see what one looks like: http://butlersystem.com/butler-system-in-regular-and-extended-length-vans.html
I guess I've always been of the mindset that a truck is for work.
What I asked came off as snotty ... didn't mean it as such. Was just curious.
Ah, I'm guessing that requires extensive modifications that would void it?
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Isn't that what a pickup is supposed to be? Base model .. stripped down?
What do you do that voids Ford's warranty?
Obviously the people actually buying pickups disagree with you, as most are sold loaded. Some of the stuff is whacko even to me, but i don't want a stripper unless it's a work truck.
We use our vans as stationary power plants, taking power off a shaft driven from the front end of the engine. We also use a heat exchanger in the cooling system to heat water.
Go here to see what one looks like: http://butlersystem.com/butler-system-in-regular-and-extended-length-vans.html
I guess I've always been of the mindset that a truck is for work.
What I asked came off as snotty ... didn't mean it as such. Was just curious.
Ah, I'm guessing that requires extensive modifications that would void it?
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