2011 Ford 5.0 - Oil

[Unleashedbeast]

Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: brsmith
There is more left in that engine that is for sure, with less than $1200 worth of mods and tinkering, the old LS1 Camaros could run high tens.


Only if that $1200 included a cam, slicks, a 200 shot and some hopes and prayers.



Cams, Slicks, 150 shot, supporting bolt ons, weight reductions, no hopes or prayers needed. 10.20's all day long. Have a friend with a 98 Z28....been there....done that.

 

[Unleashedbeast]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Nothing inherently wrong with powdered metal rods, they seem to hold up well. And it's not the piston that is the issue when tuned properly. We'll have to wait and see where Ford spec'd the ring gaps.


The aluminum piston @ 11/1 compression ratio will NOT hold up to a lot of boost. The rod will survive, piston not so well.

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

Like any high output engine it will be more challenging to mod, but they are already running high tens now.


Not running natural aspiration they won't. The 2011's you hear/read about already running 10 seconds 1/4's are using nitrous, slicks, and other supporting bolt on mods like CAI, computer tuning, longtube headers, underdrive pulleys, etc.

The car will only run ~12.80 stock.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Unleashedbeast
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: brsmith
There is more left in that engine that is for sure, with less than $1200 worth of mods and tinkering, the old LS1 Camaros could run high tens.


Only if that $1200 included a cam, slicks, a 200 shot and some hopes and prayers.



Cams, Slicks, 150 shot, supporting bolt ons, weight reductions, no hopes or prayers needed. 10.20's all day long. Have a friend with a 98 Z28....been there....done that.


The prayer is hoping the junk GM diff stays together.

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: Unleashedbeast
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: brsmith
There is more left in that engine that is for sure, with less than $1200 worth of mods and tinkering, the old LS1 Camaros could run high tens.


Only if that $1200 included a cam, slicks, a 200 shot and some hopes and prayers.



Cams, Slicks, 150 shot, supporting bolt ons, weight reductions, no hopes or prayers needed. 10.20's all day long.


Cam, slicks, juice and "supporting bolt ons" for $1200? He must be one of those guys that finds deals for everything. I hope those supporting bolt-ons included a set of ported 5.3s or something unless he pulled 400 lbs. out of the car. I have friends too, I've also been there...done that...through people I know...with LS1s.

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: Unleashedbeast

Like any high output engine it will be more challenging to mod, but they are already running high tens now.

Not running natural aspiration they won't. The 2011's you hear/read about already running 10 seconds 1/4's are using nitrous, slicks, and other supporting bolt on mods like CAI, computer tuning, longtube headers, underdrive pulleys, etc.


Actually, the 2011s you are reading about are running 11.6@119 mph on motor at basically stock weight, with nothing more than a drop-in K&N, o/r X, mufflers, and incomplete tuning (as the majors haven't released '11 Mustang software yet), within 1 month of the cars first seeing dealer lots. No u/d pulleys, no CAI, no LT headers (or proper shorties for that matter), no lightweight flywheel, no single piece aluminum driveshaft, no gears. They also went 10.8 @ 127 with the above mods and a 55 rwhp shot of nitrous.

These cars will go 10s N/A without ever lifting a cam cover, mark my words.

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The car will only run ~12.80 stock.


They've already been 12.7 @ 112 mph with 3.31s, and Evan Smith just drove a bone stock one with 3.73s to 12.6 @ 113, then 12.30 with nothing but a drag radial.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Pssst! It's not that the piston is Hyper or aluminum. It's the ring gaps.

The new 6.4 from Chrysler will be based off the 5.7, all aluminum now with full MDS and VVT setups.

HP is predicted to be only 525. Still will be a little short of the class leaders in pounds per HP.

But for anyone who actually rides in one, the super flat VVT torque curve and better ride/braking will be sweet for the cruisers. I may not pass the New Coyote Stang at the strip but I already beat up the GT500's at the road courses.

And the new Stang is severely limited (just 146!) on the top, so we'll need a tuner to disable that to see if it can run 170+ with that aero.

It's a great time to be car shopping!

 

[SteveSRT8]

and this link is for Ben.

Review the list and marvel at what the giant 4 doors do with a little weight reduction and a completely stock drivetrain!

http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=99679

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
The new 6.4 from Chrysler will be based off the 5.7, all aluminum now with full MDS and VVT setups.

HP is predicted to be only 525. Still will be a little short of the class leaders in pounds per HP.


If they actually pull that off I will be impressed. That's more power than the 7.0L LS7 makes with factory CNC heads, paper thin cylinder walls, sodium filled valves, titanium connected rods, etc.

Quote:
I may not pass the New Coyote Stang at the strip but I already beat up the GT500's at the road courses.




The '11 GT500 runs VIR faster than than the 2010 Audi R8 5.2 FSI, 2009 Porsche Carrera S, 2009 Porsche Cayman S, 2010 Corvette Grand Sport, and 2009 Lotus Exige S 260 Sport.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/05/18/video-2011-ford-gt500-spanks-last-years-model-by-nine-seconds/

 

[Unleashedbeast]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Unleashedbeast
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: brsmith
There is more left in that engine that is for sure, with less than $1200 worth of mods and tinkering, the old LS1 Camaros could run high tens.


Only if that $1200 included a cam, slicks, a 200 shot and some hopes and prayers.



Cams, Slicks, 150 shot, supporting bolt ons, weight reductions, no hopes or prayers needed. 10.20's all day long. Have a friend with a 98 Z28....been there....done that.


The prayer is hoping the junk GM diff stays together.


agree 100%

GM thought it would be OK to put a cheap 7.5" 10 bolt S10 rear end in a 300+ HP car (stock). We were upgrading them to the 12 bolt all the time just to handle the power.

 

[Unleashedbeast]

Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: Unleashedbeast
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: brsmith
There is more left in that engine that is for sure, with less than $1200 worth of mods and tinkering, the old LS1 Camaros could run high tens.


Only if that $1200 included a cam, slicks, a 200 shot and some hopes and prayers.



Cams, Slicks, 150 shot, supporting bolt ons, weight reductions, no hopes or prayers needed. 10.20's all day long.


Cam, slicks, juice and "supporting bolt ons" for $1200? He must be one of those guys that finds deals for everything. I hope those supporting bolt-ons included a set of ported 5.3s or something unless he pulled 400 lbs. out of the car. I have friends too, I've also been there...done that...through people I know...with LS1s.

Yup, we called him "Todd Mod" because he was known to strip 400 lbs. from his cars. They looked like race cars when he was done. lol

 

[Unleashedbeast]

Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
They also went 10.8 @ 127 with the above mods and a 55 rwhp shot of nitrous.

These cars will go 10s N/A without ever lifting a cam cover, mark my words.


55hp nitrous shot? They used a 100 shot, where are you getting your information?

10s without a power adder? At that curb weight? The laws of physics are against you.

 

[fascination127]

Sweet car Ben... the 5.0 really has me thinkin... I love my Bullit... but that 5.0 may just make me jump.

 

[Gene K]

OFF TOPIC:

Originally Posted By: brsmith
412 HP and 3500 lbs isn't going to run high 10's. Maybe 12.80 on a good day.


Not 10's but should be capable of better than 12.8.

2007 Mustang GT
Air Intake & Tune
Stock Tires and Gears
1.8 12.8 @ 107
3700lb Race Weight w/330 bhp (hp based on the 3 mph gain from mods)

If this car isnt any faster than my 2007 Im going to be a bit peeved. Im figuring 12.4 @ 112 on the same 1.8 60' with similar surface prep and density altitude.

 

[Gene K]

ON TOPIC:

My Decision:

1st Change - 1000 Mile - MC 5W20 SB
2nd Change - 4000 Mile (5000 Total) - MC 5W20 SB

Ive decided to let the car decide on the 3rd Change since I only run around 5000 miles a year.

3rd Change - 1 Year OCI (Estimated 5,000 miles) - Pennzoil Platinum if under 30% Oil Life Remaining and MC 5W20 SB if over 30%.

Additional input is always welcome.

 

[biodiesel]

Originally Posted By: Ben99GT

Actually, the 2011s you are reading about are running 11.6@119 mph on motor at basically stock weight, with nothing more than a drop-in K&N, o/r X, mufflers, and incomplete tuning (as the majors haven't released '11 Mustang software yet), within 1 month of the cars first seeing dealer lots. No u/d pulleys, no CAI, no LT headers (or proper shorties for that matter), no lightweight flywheel, no single piece aluminum driveshaft, no gears. They also went 10.8 @ 127 with the above mods and a 55 rwhp shot of nitrous.


You left out the drag radials. The 5.0 is quite impressive but it's not breaking in to the 11s with just a drop in and mufflers.

 

[Steve S]

5,000 per year ? 10 years 50,000 miles, 20 years 100,000 miles . Ford builds pretty good engines. The Mustangs are really nice crs and I am wondering about the new 6 cyl as I like the mpgs and the adequate power output.

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: Unleashedbeast
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
They also went 10.8 @ 127 with the above mods and a 55 rwhp shot of nitrous.

These cars will go 10s N/A without ever lifting a cam cover, mark my words.


55hp nitrous shot? They used a 100 shot, where are you getting your information?


No, they said it was jetted for a 100 shot (.047 jet?) but it picked up 55 to the wheels. Look at their facebook page.

Originally Posted By: Evolution Performance
Our 2011 Mustang GT 5.0L 4V (5.0 Mustang and Super Fords Magazine Project Car) made 405 RWHP and 375 RWTQ with the addition of an Off-Road X-Pipe, Catback Exhaust System, K&N Drop In Filter, and a Custom Tune! That's a gain of 36 RWHP and 23 RWTQ! That's not bad but we're still working on some other changes in the tune...


Originally Posted By: Evolution Performance
We just made 414 RWHP and 385 RWTQ with Our 2011 Mustang GT 5.0L 4V! The Mods are the same as before......


Originally Posted By: Evolution Performance
Our 2011 Mustang GT 5.0L 4V made 469 RWHP and 513 RWTQ with a 100 Shot Of Nitrous!


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10s without a power adder? At that curb weight? The laws of physics are against you.


Around 450 rwhp, 3700 lb race weight, and ~1.5 60 foot (with 4.30-4.56s) will do it, and it should see that kind of power N/A with full bolt ons.

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: biodiesel
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT

Actually, the 2011s you are reading about are running 11.6@119 mph on motor at basically stock weight, with nothing more than a drop-in K&N, o/r X, mufflers, and incomplete tuning (as the majors haven't released '11 Mustang software yet), within 1 month of the cars first seeing dealer lots. No u/d pulleys, no CAI, no LT headers (or proper shorties for that matter), no lightweight flywheel, no single piece aluminum driveshaft, no gears. They also went 10.8 @ 127 with the above mods and a 55 rwhp shot of nitrous.


You left out the drag radials. The 5.0 is quite impressive but it's not breaking in to the 11s with just a drop in and mufflers.


I left out drag radials and rear control arms, I was talking strictly power mods since that is what was being mentioned.

 

[Unleashedbeast]

Originally Posted By: Ben99GT

No, they said it was jetted for a 100 shot (.047 jet?) but it picked up 55 to the wheels. Look at their facebook page.


Don't have to look at what they put on Facebook, I have their video and dyno sheets on file.

Without Nitrous - 413HP - 385TQ
With 100 shot - 469HP - 513TQ

The nitrous only increased 56HP, but torque...WOW!!! Increased 128 ft/lbs. That's amazing! So they can only claim the 55HP increase and talk about how little it took, but I know the truth. Torque is what launches you off the line, not horsepower. Don't believe me, watch the video for yourself.

2011 Mustang GT 10.88 1/4 mile

I say again, this car (at stock weight) will NEVER see a 10 second 1/4 mile slip WITHOUT a power adder.

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: Unleashedbeast
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT

No, they said it was jetted for a 100 shot (.047 jet?) but it picked up 55 to the wheels. Look at their facebook page.


Don't have to look at what they put on Facebook, I have their video and dyno sheets on file.

Without Nitrous - 413HP - 385TQ
With 100 shot - 469HP - 573TQ

The nitrous only increased 56HP, but torque...WOW!!! Increased 188 ft/lbs. That's amazing! So they can only claim the 55HP increase and talk about how little it took, but I know the truth. Torque is what launches you off the line, not horsepower. Don't believe me, watch the video for yourself.
2011 Mustang GT 10.88 1/4 mile


You realize a stock cam 335 rwhp Mach 1 went 10.9 @ 123 at 3015 lbs, right? Torque is great, but whatever jet they were running only picked up 55 rwhp... the car will run comparably with a gear and 450 rwhp N/A HP.

Originally Posted By: Unleashedbeast
I say again, this car (at stock weight) will NEVER see a 10 second 1/4 mile slip WITHOUT a power adder.


With the current power level and 3.73 gears, you are correct. The big catch here is that the car is far from tapped on N/A power and isn't geared optimally.

This car definitely has a 10 in it N/A.