2009 Fit Oil Choices

[The Critic]

My friend has a 2009 Fit with the 1.5L four-cylinder. Judging from the used oil analysis results posted, this engine is fairly "easy" on oil.

My friend's Fit is approaching 30,000 miles. She has had two oil changes done-- one at 10k and the other at 20k. The OLM goes about 10,000 miles before it reaches 15%. Both oil changes were done at the local fast lube with Pennzoil or Quaker State 5w20 conventional and a Fram filter.

I checked the oil last night and after 9300 miles, it was still medium brown and only 1/4 qt low.

What do you folks think I should fill it with? I can either fill it with Quaker State 5w20 and a Fram filter (since it is on sale), or I can get Valvoline SynPower 5w-20 since it is on sale as well.

 

[Johnny]

If you want her to remain your friend, just give her the money and tell her to carry on with whatever she was doing.

 

[Scienceman]

+1

 

[The Critic]

Originally Posted By: Johnny
If you want her to remain your friend, just give her the money and tell her to carry on with whatever she was doing.


Why's that?

 

[Johnny]

Conventional oil, quick lube oil changes every 10K, now has 30K on it, and you're going to be the next one to touch it. Anything, and I mean anything goes wrong, and it will be YOUR fault.

Trust me young man, let your friend maintain her own car. You might give her advise, but do not touch the car.

 

[jeepman]

Originally Posted By: Johnny
Conventional oil, quick lube oil changes every 10K, now has 30K on it, and you're going to be the next one to touch it. Anything, and I mean anything goes wrong, and it will be YOUR fault.

Trust me young man, let your friend maintain her own car. You might give her advise, but do not touch the car.


I couldn't agree more. When I used to do on site PC repair, even though they called me to fix their printer, it was always my fault that the AOL connection was slow after I left...

Sometimes it's just better to let someone else do the work if your own stuff is not involved.

 

[The Critic]

Originally Posted By: Johnny
Conventional oil, quick lube oil changes every 10K, now has 30K on it, and you're going to be the next one to touch it. Anything, and I mean anything goes wrong, and it will be YOUR fault.

Trust me young man, let your friend maintain her own car. You might give her advise, but do not touch the car.


Johnny, with all due respect, the Maintenance Minder system is recommending ~10,000 mile intervals based on her driving style, so the car is not being neglected. The oil level is also OK. Plus, all of the used oil analysis that I have seen on this engine shows that it is extremely easy on oil, and 10k intervals on conventional oil should not be a problem. So, why the concern?

 

[Johnny]

You asked and I giveth. Only concern I have is being sure I survive each day. Just trying to pass on life experiences. Carry on and someday you can pass your life experiences on to others.

 

[Slick17601]

Johnny is a wise man. Listen closely.

 

[demarpaint]

Honda is selling their own 0W20 oil, and the specs look very good. Have a look there is a side by side VOA with this oil. There is an online source that prices it at about $5.35/qt. Locally it is about $7 or so, which is in line with my of the synthetic oils.

HTH

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1771842/

 

[simple_gifts]

Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Conventional oil, quick lube oil changes every 10K, now has 30K on it, and you're going to be the next one to touch it. Anything, and I mean anything goes wrong, and it will be YOUR fault.

Trust me young man, let your friend maintain her own car. You might give her advise, but do not touch the car.


Johnny, with all due respect, the Maintenance Minder system is recommending ~10,000 mile intervals based on her driving style, so the car is not being neglected. The oil level is also OK. Plus, all of the used oil analysis that I have seen on this engine shows that it is extremely easy on oil, and 10k intervals on conventional oil should not be a problem. So, why the concern?



Logic has nothing to do with Johnny's concerns.

 

[bepperb]

I follow Johnny's logic. It's the "no good deed goes unpunished" line of thought. The exact moment you think "well, I'll change this oil because what could possibly go wrong on a Honda with 30,000 miles" you've tempted fate.

Ok, stick with 10,000 miles and that will be fine. But would a slightly better than cheapest possible solution do? How about a cheap synthetic and a 5 dollar filter?

 

[jorton]

For the extended interval you should upgrade to the Tough Guard filter because it has silicone ADBV rubber.

Do you know if Honda allows dino for the Fit?

Originally Posted By: The Critic
Plus, all of the used oil analysis that I have seen on this engine shows that it is extremely easy on oil, and 10k intervals on conventional oil should not be a problem. So, why the concern?


If tbn holds up sludge won't be an issue, right?

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Honda is selling their own 0W20 oil, and the specs look very good. Have a look there is a side by side VOA with this oil. There is an online source that prices it at about $5.35/qt. Locally it is about $7 or so, which is in line with my of the synthetic oils.

HTH

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1771842/
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+1 on the Honda or Toyota 0w-20.
BTW are there any UOA that show good tbn retention and low oxidation on a 10K OCI with dino? not sure if these small engines are "easy on the oil" but more that the sump size V. piston swept area and valve count. May 4cyls have 4 litre sumps and their V6 and v8 counter parts have 4.5 and 5 L sumps even though the valve count and swept area is 2-3 times that of the small engine.

 

[PT1]

If she is running quick lube oil 10,000 miles...

take her to the Honda dealer and get the synthetic oil put in. Tell her she should be going to the dealer for oil changes. Then exit stage left...

Johnny is right on this one.

 

[ottotheclown]

OLM on conventional 10,000 wow. Also Honda suggests changing filter every other oci??? Sounds to me another recall maybe from the land of the rising sun..could be...

 

[Jss21382]

Why? The oil is usually still in good condition when it's indicating to change the oil at 10k. And they're not having engine trouble, so what's the problem? They've not yet got the hang of transmissions, but that's another discussion.

And yes, give her advice, go with her, or even take the car to have the work done, but don't do the work yourself, there's no reason to risk straining the friendship if some fluke occurrence happens after you change the oil, which will inevitably be blamed on the last one that touched it.

But back to the question, I have my friends that drive new Honda's pick up the Mobil 1 0w20 and filter deal at advance auto then have the dealer change it to keep a good maintenance history on the vehicle, which is the main reason you want to have services done at the dealer. With Honda especially, their official warranty is pretty short, but I've replaced powertrain components under goodwill warranty on vehicles with close to 200k because they have a good maintenance history at the dealer.

 

[ottotheclown]

Be careful driving new Hondas with any thing other than 5-20 as the oil cap says and keep using Honda filters. Keep in mind the olm is not in contact with the oil, only one car offers that feature, so the olm is guessing your, which it has no idea is syn or dino,oil is in workable shape. I think this is a marketering effort to keep the up keep down at first.The olm keeps track of rpm, time and mileage. Oil is not tested for strength like Blackstone does. So why go 10,000 on dino????? Unless you plan to dump it in five years.

 

[Jss21382]

Having seen the inside of these engines using the maintenance minder systems I wouldn't hesitate at all to use it as long as you're not using the cheapest oil possible. The honda dealer I worked at used Valvoline, same as most dealers here.

Also, the system doesn't usually go to 10k from what I've seen, I've seen many customers averaging around 5k, most seem to be in the 6-7k range from what I see at the dealer, with mainly the highway drivers hitting 10k, all depends on driving conditions.

 

[buster]

I tend to trust Honda and the OLM, so I don't there is a problem with what he/she has been doing. If you want to purchase some security, use Synpower.