2006 VW GTI MkV - MOTUL 8100 E-Tech 0w40

[agpatel]

2006 VW GTI MkV 2.0 Turbo FSI
Running: MOTUL 8100 E-Tech ow40
Miles On Car: 27,274
Miles On Oil: 7484
TBN LEFT: 3.9

MILES 27,274 19,749 (PENTOSYTH 5W40)
ALUMINUM: 3 3
CHROMIUM: 1 1
IRON: 65 47
COPPER: 4 5
LEAD: 2 1
TIN: 1 0
MOLYBDENUM: 2 4
NICKEL: 1 1
MANGANESE: 2 3
SILVER: 0 0
TITANIUM: 0 0
POTASSIUM: 2 1
BORON: 3 3
SILICON: 5 4
SODIUM: 4 3
CALCIUM: 1456 2415
MAGNESIUM: 852 81
PHOSPHORUS: 744 757
ZINC: 958 932
BARIUM: 0 0

SUS VISCOSITY @ 210 F* : 64.6
FLASHPOINT IN *F : 385
FUEL % : TRACE
ANTIFREEZE: : 0.00
WATER % : 0.00
INSOLUBLES % : 0.30

 

[benjamming]

What filters & which lab? What kind of driving?

 

[TR3-2001SE]

Other than a lot of iron this is an excellent report. Iron normally increases with the time and milage on the oil. It should not be this high in 7500 miles. Maybe the milage was over the winter and 6 months time? Maybe this engine produces a lot of iron normally.

 

[RI_RS4]

I'd suggest that you send this to Terry Dyson for an existing report interpretation. VW/Audi FSI engines have issues with fuel dilution that might be causing your high iron levels. Some analysis companies tend to under report fuel dilution and flashpoint.

http://www.dysonanalysis.com/exisitingreportinterpretation.html

 

[agpatel]

Oil has been in the car from January, its been driven hard at times...and i have had problems with the car "stalling" dealer said it may be premature wear on the cam-shaft lobe that controls the hi-pressure fuel pump...but i dont think it was right bc it happens more w/ shell gas....if i use BP or other gas stations (76..ext) i don't have hardly any problems...but yes i know the Fe is high...i have already ordered a kit from Terry and plan to send him a sample of oil to him along w/ the previews report, this is from Blackstone

Also going ot pull another sample in about 2-3k miles and send that in and see how high the iron is...and take it from there....

 

[agpatel]

oh ya i forgot the filter is MANN filter

 

[RI_RS4]

agpatel, there is a service bulletin out about wear of the camshaft lobe for Audi TFSI 2.0L engines. I believe that is the same design as yours.

Condition
MIL on. The following DTC is stored in the ECM data memory:
􀂃 P2293 (Fuel pressure regulator 2 performance)
at times in combination with:
􀂃 P0087 (Rail fuel pressure too low)
􀂃 P1093 (Fuel trim 2, bank 1 malfunction)

Technical Background
Excessive wear of the cam lobe (in the intake camshaft) that drives the high pressure fuel pump. This limits the maximum pump piston lift, causing fuel rail pressure fluctuations. The wear on the cam lobe also leads to wear in the base of the high pressure fuel pump cam follower.
Production Solution
Increased surface hardening of the camshaft lobe for the high pressure fuel pump.
Improved intake camshafts have part number 06F 109 101 B.

 

[buster]

I'd be concerned about those high Fe levels. I'd also be very tempted to use a very robust non-api rated oil.

 

[agpatel]

hey

RI_RS4, 1. i only get one of the codes P1093, but anyways do you haver the TSB number for that

 

[agpatel]

Also i just rmred i have a magnetic drain plug installed if that may be the cause of high Fe numbers, next week when i change oil i was going to go back to the OE drain plug and see what happens....

 

[JAG]

I don't see how the magnetic plug could raise the FE numbers. You should use the magnetic drain plug to look at how much ferrous debris it's catching. Whipe it onto a paper towel and save it. Do it after each oil change and compare them.

This engine quite consistently gives UOAs like this one. It's a tough cookie to crack and I'm not the only person who thinks it deserves special considerations from someone like Terry Dyson. The high iron and low chromium ring wear is interesting. Seems to point toward the high iron coming from something other than bore wear...possibly cam wear as mentioned above.

 

[jmac]

After looking at this UOA and how Delvac 1 reduced iron levels in a VW TDI you may consider this in your lineup as well Delvac 1 vs ELF . It would be interesting to see if the same happened for you in decreasing FE levels. Though a diesel oil, applications in the PDS list high performance gas engines as well. Delvac 1 PDS
Just sharing what seems to be timely information.

 

[agpatel]

I was thinking if the drain plug is mag. then it may loose some little parts of the mag in the oil stream maybe and raise Fe levels if its an iron mag

but i am going to do some short UOA's w/ Terry to see how it works out and see if i need to get the cam shaft looked at and replaced

 

[BGK]

I would have hoped the new VW/Audi turbo engine would be completely bug free. Bad camshafts will not help their reputation!