"2.1 sec 0-60" run then dust off a GT-R. Charge only went down from 80 to 79%

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Over 3 years, how much time have you spent fueling your car? Driving to and from a station, waiting in line, fueling?
How many times have you left your garage with a full tank?


Like most people my time at a gasoline pump is five minutes or less. I don’t wait. I don’t drive just to go get gasoline. The last one doesn’t matter. I can have a half tank of fuel and still drive 200 miles.
 
I've always wondered why some electric vehicles don't have some sort of solar material on the hood and/or roof. My car sits in the hot sun most every day. Even in the winter time the car is in the sun. Seems like sitting for 10 ~ 12 hours a day in the sun that a significant amount of energy could be transferred in to the batteries? Wonder why that's not doable?
 
I've always wondered why some electric vehicles don't have some sort of solar material on the hood and/or roof. My car sits in the hot sun most every day. Even in the winter time the car is in the sun. Seems like sitting for 10 ~ 12 hours a day in the sun that a significant amount of energy could be transferred in to the batteries? Wonder why that's not doable?

The Fisker Karma had a solar roof panel but it’s not enough to make much of a difference when considering the amount of energy it takes to accelerate a 4,000 pound car.
 
The cars are really quick. They also handle really well due to the low canter of gravity. And you don't have to get a Plaid to enjoy the incredible driving experience. Any Tesla will do.
Regarding charging, these cars are different. You learn. If you want them to fuel up like an ICE vehicle, well, that ain't gonna happen.

But how many of your ICE cars start each day with a full tank and only visit a gas station on trips of over 200 miles?
None.
I guess my ICE car would start every day with a full tank...if I filled it up every night.
and I don't own a single vehicle that needs to visit a pump every 200 miles...not even the GT500
 
I've always wondered why some electric vehicles don't have some sort of solar material on the hood and/or roof. My car sits in the hot sun most every day. Even in the winter time the car is in the sun. Seems like sitting for 10 ~ 12 hours a day in the sun that a significant amount of energy could be transferred in to the batteries? Wonder why that's not doable?
No, the angle of the panels suck and you could pack a max of probably 200 watts of panel onto the surfaces of a car....which would only take about 2 weeks to fully charge a 10Kwh battery (allowing for 3 overcast days in there)
 
Like most people my time at a gasoline pump is five minutes or less. I don’t wait. I don’t drive just to go get gasoline. The last one doesn’t matter. I can have a half tank of fuel and still drive 200 miles.
You drive out of your way everytime you go to a gas station.
Let's see, if you gas up once a week, that's 52 * 5 = 260 minutes in a year, or 4 hours.
Oil changes? Brake work? That down time adds up, right? Cost?

I am nost saying that's bad, just different.
 
I guess my ICE car would start every day with a full tank...if I filled it up every night.
and I don't own a single vehicle that needs to visit a pump every 200 miles...not even the GT500
True, but do you have a gas pump at home? I assume not.
You probably have to go to a gas station, and going every night would waste a lot of your time and gas, for that matter.
The difference is, the Tesla makes use of down time that ICE cannot.

Again, I am only saying different is not bad, just different. Not better, just different.
These cars are not for everyone.
 
Having solar at home is not something everyone has. According to what I read keeping lithium ion batteries full isn’t good for them, and may be a cause of fires.
Examples, Apple iPhone I have restricts charging to later at night. Their reason is the battery will degrade less if not fully charged for the few hours. I realize ev cars already don’t charge all the way. Still lower charge is good for them, not higher charge. Not sure what Teslas buffers are.
Another is the Bolt fires. They decided to limit the charging level as a solution.
I can’t remember when I made a special trip to the gas station. I always get gas on the way somewhere and it’s not out of the way by more than 200 feet. 500 feet.
For my situation, a plug in works very well, 100% of my local driving is on free electricity. To get that free I get it where I go, but it is a hassle sometimes as more and more ev”s are competing for the chargers. It takes a lot of my time thinking about my car.
First world problems. There are people who can’t even get shoes, let alone any sort of car.
What really amazes me is the childish racing on the streets that’s being posed as a good thing to hope for. 0-60 in 2 seconds for what? Getting ahead of another machine to show speed of the machine, for what? People die in such things or kill others that’s why it’s illegal.
What was the topic again? I scrolled up, I wasn’t too far off.
 
I find it's easy enough to keep my EV under 80% if I have some inkling of my daily driving requirements. With a long range EV it can be kept more in the middle of the range like 40-60%. If an unexpected long trip appears, 30 min at a nearby fast charger will top it off.

In my research and understanding it's only batteries with design defects that pose a remote risk of fire. At the moment that's certain Bolt and Kona '18-'19 models that have a particular cell design from LG Energy Solutions, noting that GM has stopped the 90% charge limit and has now chosen to risk just having software monitoring. Recently one with all the updates has ignited.
Hyundai have the monitoring and are (eventually) replacing all battery packs globally with LG paying 70% of that cost, 77,000 cars.

My EV is not very quick but luckily most cars on the road here are far slower :). With gas pushing $8/gal people don't waste it.
 
I've always wondered why some electric vehicles don't have some sort of solar material on the hood and/or roof. My car sits in the hot sun most every day. Even in the winter time the car is in the sun. Seems like sitting for 10 ~ 12 hours a day in the sun that a significant amount of energy could be transferred in to the batteries? Wonder why that's not doable?
 
I've always wondered why some electric vehicles don't have some sort of solar material on the hood and/or roof. My car sits in the hot sun most every day. Even in the winter time the car is in the sun. Seems like sitting for 10 ~ 12 hours a day in the sun that a significant amount of energy could be transferred in to the batteries? Wonder why that's not doable?

It takes a very large amount of solar surface area, properly positioned, to recoup what one would consider a "significant" amount of energy.

Think about this:
- Most large solar panels you buy are rated in watts. A 300 watt solar panel is ~5'6"x3'3" and will produce, at maximum, with perfect exposure, 300W.
- EV batteries are rated in kW. For example, the Mustang Mach-e has an 88kWh battery. To add just 1kWh to that battery (1.1%) that panel would have to have perfect exposure for ~3.5 straight hours.

Of course no surface on a car is going to yield that kind of exposure so the cost, weight and complexity of trying to add solar to a vehicle simply isn't worth it.
 
True, but do you have a gas pump at home? I assume not.
You probably have to go to a gas station, and going every night would waste a lot of your time and gas, for that matter.
The difference is, the Tesla makes use of down time that ICE cannot.

Again, I am only saying different is not bad, just different. Not better, just different.
These cars are not for everyone.
I’d love to leave my house with a “full tank” every day and never see a gas station again, and my wife can’t be bothered to put gas in her car till the needle is pegged on E, she’s good about keeping electronics charged…. I’m keeping a close eye on the F-150 Lightning for myself and looking for some sort of electric crossover/suv/minivan for my wife.
 
Not everyone lives in Mayberry. There is a lot to be said for avoiding trips to the gas station. Like not having to touch the pump handle that who knows what kind disgusting hand grasped it right before you did, not having to worry about some kind of hacking device stealing your CC information, not having to go inside and wait in line behind people who are feeding a family of four with hot dogs, nachos and big gulps, paying for it with food stamps, then buying lottery tickets and a money order to pay their rent because they don't have a bank account, not having panhandlers approach you while fueling with some story about having run out of gas on the freeway and needing a few bucks, not having to listen to some a-hole playing loud filthy language rap music at the pump island and giving you a look like I dare you to ask me to turn it down, and other niceties of being in public places in most large cities today.

I don't own an EV but avoiding gas stations and pulling into my own garage for a "refueling" each night would be a welcome task. As a side benefit I'd even have an air pump that didn't require quarters to run or have a split hose or be missing the nozzle.
 
Teslas might be quick, but IMBHO all of them are still butt ugly and much too quiet. I say that being deaf and they are still too quiet, lmao. I recall how a few GT-Rs I have seen sounded and it was pretty **** awesome. Also, as quick as Teslas may be they still can't outrun a common everyday threat... saw this in a Google feed earlier...

https://nypost.com/2021/07/11/rodents-chow-down-on-teslas-causing-thousands-in-damage/
 
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