Zed is talking oil? Somehow we went from people are stupid for using “esoteric” oils in air cooled Vtwins because they don’t have shared sumps or flat tappets to …..well I’m not sure what to make of this. But I’ll try to sort it out since there are some implied positions here that are inaccurate. And all you have to do is read the thread (ignoring the garbage about what someone’s neighbors do or wear, etc) to draw that conclusion. I’m not sure what the end game here is, to save consumers some money or to get everyone to use what you use because it must be the best. Again why you are so concerned, and apparently emotional, with what oil others use is a mystery. It has gone beyond odd. But all that said ironically you have stumbled back into the tread topic.
“if the only reason you would pick a POE or PAO oil in a TC engine is for temperature stability”
I don’t recall anyone saying that. These “esoteric” products are judged as finished products, base oils and excellent additive packages. They offer many advantages with respect to anti wear, cleanliness, and yes high temp stability.
“why do some fellas change it (Redline, Motul, Amsoil) after just 2000 miles?”
I don’t know how you expect me to answer for others. That makes no sense. Perhaps you should ask them. I would suspect that many are just doing yearly OCIs but I really have no way of knowing.
“if you wanted to have a little UOA test comparing conventional HDEOs on short OCIs (2000 miles)”
I’ve run short OCIs on PCMOs/HDEOs more times than I can remember. In shared sumps and isolated. In fact, My 94 Evo has never seen an “esoteric” oil in it’s sump. Although it does have Shockproof in it’s tranny. If you were following the thread you would see that I provided numerous conventional products as suitable oils including Valvoline, Havoline, Kendall, and Shell products. The primary difference in my opinion is that these are shorter OCI options. The esoterics are often run 5K plus or yearly OCIs. UAOs show that these products will not shear out of grade or even come close after long OCIs.
“Want to put some money where your attitude is?”
I have no interest in internet betting our using this forum to host such activities. Nor am I sure what my attitude is so please provide “attitude” examples from previous posts. From what I can gather though you are proposing having UOAs performed from two different engines on two different bikes, ridden by two different operators in different conditions/environments and then betting on (I assume) which yields better wear metal numbers and end viscosity. Seriously???
“an Evo motor that is harder on oil than the TC engines.”
This is news to me. I have examples of both sitting in my garage and have owned others. Please provide the data this conclusion is based on.
I didn’t bother to click on any of your links as the descriptions alone tell me that these are from Fuel_Tanker_Man and I have seen, I’m pretty sure, all of his UOAs that he has posted here. These UOAs are also posted on other MC web sites so they are well traveled. You may have noticed that Havoline was in my list of alternative oils although my opinion is that such PCMOs are 2-3K OCI oils. None the less there are a number of PCMOs that perform well. If I have properly gathered your point then you should have included some others such as his Chevron Supreme, his Valvoline run, and noted the STP (Champ Ecore) filter run. Moreover one of the most impressive UAOs I have seen, all things considered, is a HD360 dino run of 4700 miles with single digit wear metals and viscosity of 19 and change CsT at 100 C. This one you completely ignored.
“Don't you hate it when the facts don't match the fiction?”
Again I’m not sure what you are saying here but it seems that you feel that there is no need for such products. That is fine. There are plenty of people that will agree with that and plenty that won’t. There are people that use Red Line in Honda Accords. In my opinion that is a 20 foot ladder for a 10 foot job. But I don’t interject into their thread as it is really none of my business what they choose to use. These “esoteric” products such as Amsoil, Red Line, Royal Purple, Motul, Maxum, M1 Vtwin, etc will continue to sell in the market place. I have no problem with your opinion that these customers are stupid.
