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This is unfortunate because many times, especially in the off-topic forum, one discussion organically leads to another discussion that is worth discussing.
I do hope it this thread doesn’t get locked, it’s in general forum after all. The discussion so far is good and civil and doesn’t seem to violate the rules.
 
Reckon that was a typo/autocorrect…

One point that was made about schools like Stanford bears repeating - if you can get in, you can afford to go.

Yeah, they’re north of $75,000/year for room, board and tuition, but that is list price, and their financial aid is incredible. 80% of the kids going to Harvard receive Financial Aid. Further, if the parents make less than $80,000/year, financial aid covers 100% of the cost.

E.G. A young lady in the Harvard class of 2019 was born and raised on a Reservation in Wyoming. She was the first person in her family to go to college. Harvard paid for everything. I mean everything. Room, board, tuition, fees, books, spending money, and plane tickets to/from Casper at the beginning and end of each semester.

Her parents didn’t have to pay anything.
Astro, the young lady who attended Harvard reminds me of my father's story. My grandparents were immigrants from Ukraine, poor hard working people. When WW II broke out, my Dad enlisted in the Navy. After boot camp, everyone else were sent overseas; my Dad was sent to Yale Unversity in New Haven. His roommate was Victor Kiam, the American entrepreneur who later owned the NE Patriots. President George Bush was in his graduating class. Mr. Kiam and my Dad were both offered full scholarships to do post grad work at Harvard Business School. Victor went, my Dad went to work at Harrison Radiator. FYI, my father also played on the football team while Victor played on the tennis team. Let's just say the best football players are tough, mean, driven men.

Also kinda reminds me of my story; my education was mostly paid for by Silicon Valley companies. All I had to do was sit on my butt in an air conditioned office writing code... And I was offered to continue studies at Santa Clara; that's Stanford money! Hey, education is even for low lifes like me! Ha!
 
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I'm not trying to give you a hard time - I'm really just questioning how much of a problem this really is in 2023? We had someone run for school board almost entirely on critical race theory and his feeling was it was rampant. I had a discussion one day with my 12, 15, and 17 year old and none of them felt like any of the ideas in CRT were factors in their education. The 12 and 15-year-olds are pretty apolitical but the 17-year-old is much more right-leaning than either my wife or I am and CRT is something right up his alley and he didn't see it. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but then again how much of it is simply because certain people on TV tell us it's everywhere? Both CRT and the indoctrination of students into Marxist ideology not being what I actually see in my life.
Does it have to be a problem right now or be a Joseph Goebbles propaganda style brainwashing for people to see it’s not right, or to question it?
 
Does it have to be a problem right now or be a Joseph Goebbles propaganda style brainwashing for people to see it’s not right, or to question it?
We can't even establish that this "problem" is widespread and/or not simply the counterarguments to the more mainstream ideology that you may agree with. Even if it's not what you believe or what you want to be taught in college who decides that "...it's not right..."? Where do counterarguments fit into education in your opinion then? Should the curriculum only be pro-capitalism with no discussion on Marxism? How does either of us have any idea what is really being said and taught at thousands of universities? Where did the idea that Marxism is being widely taught even originate?
 
The auto market is in a free fall correcting the BS pricing of the last 3 years.
I hope you're right.
Well nobody forces you to sign on the dotted line.....
That's part of the irony
I have nothing against it,
In theory, yeah. However, when every other Tom, **** or Harry you meet is consumed with ostentation or paralyzed with debt, it can effect your life negatively.
 
my 96 F150 leaks a little oil and you really shouldn't go over 70 because alignment isn't great. I bought it about 5 years ago for $1300 (from my uncle) and since then have replaced the battery and alternator plus some very routine maintenance. She starts right up and has only broke down on me once - thats when I replaced the alternator.

Best part is, I can use it as a truck - if someone dings their door on it - i don't care. I throw lawn waste in the bed and let it sit for weeks (ok, sometimes months) before I take it to the dump.

The AC is broken, but it has one of those cigarette windows so if you angle it right the amount of air that comes into the cab is enough to keep you from frying in the summer.
 
We can't even establish that this "problem" is widespread and/or not simply the counterarguments to the more mainstream ideology that you may agree with. Even if it's not what you believe or what you want to be taught in college who decides that "...it's not right..."? Where do counterarguments fit into education in your opinion then? Should the curriculum only be pro-capitalism with no discussion on Marxism? How does either of us have any idea what is really being said and taught at thousands of universities? Where did the idea that Marxism is being widely taught even originate?

I asked before, show me where the counter arguments are thought or were thought in any recent history. You and others recalled several liberal courses, can you recall a course about the virtues and positives of capitalism as an elective? Not part of any business or economics program, just sharing ideas of capitalism. Can you?

About establishing a problem, has it been established we have “systemic racism” and that we live in a white supremacy state?
Just like you, I see people working, going to school of all color, race and ethnicity. Where is the problem? Why do we need to have college courses about it?

Could it be to entice fear, some sort of guilt, segregate people into groups? No, you don’t “see it” it’s just sharing and discussing ideas. Innocent ideas.
 
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Northern Virginia has to be one of the most expensive real estate markets in the country.

A condo in Manassas is going for $250K.

Manassas. Condo.
I know Manassas isn't that nice, but that is really cheap. Cannot find a decent condo in Richmond for that price. Heck all of the new ones they are building around me - and they are building TONS of them - are 400k and up.
 
I asked before, show me where the counter arguments are thought or were thought in any recent history. You and others recalled several liberal courses, can you recall a course about the virtues and positives of capitalism as an elective? Not part of any business or economics program, just sharing ideas of capitalism. Can you?

About establishing a problem, has it been established we have “systemic racism” and that we live in a white supremacy state?
Just like you, I see people working, going to school of all color, race and ethnicity. Where is the problem? Why do we need to have college courses about it?

Could it be to entice fear, some sort of guilt, segregate people into groups? No, you don’t “see it” it’s just sharing and discussing ideas. Innocent ideas.
Economics classes are open to everyone, right? It is true that Econ is generally a tougher "A", but no one is stopping you from signing up.
I signed up for "Principles of Economics" at the DeAnza Community College in Cupertino, which probably drove my choice of a Minor at SJS.
FYI, Econ is a tough Minor. And the Major I took did not even require a Minor to graduate.
 
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I know Manassas isn't that nice, but that is really cheap. Cannot find a decent condo in Richmond for that price. Heck all of the new ones they are building around me - and they are building TONS of them - are 400k and up.
I am in the market for a 2/1 or 1/1 condo now. If there were one in a barely decent area for $450, I'm a buyer. Of course, if one pops up, it will be a beater.
 
I asked before, show me where the counter arguments are thought or were thought in any recent history. You and others recalled several liberal courses, (1) can you recall a course about the virtues and positives of capitalism as an elective? Not part of any business or economics program, just sharing ideas of capitalism. Can you?

(2) About establishing a problem, has it been established we have “systemic racism” and that we live in a white supremacy state?

Just like you, I see people working, going to school of all color, race and ethnicity. Where is the problem? (3) Why do we need to have college courses about it?

(4) Could it be to entice fear, some sort of guilt, segregate people into groups? No, you don’t “see it” it’s just sharing and discussing ideas. Innocent ideas.
1. No
2. No, those are just "hot-button words" for a much more complex discussion.
3. Why not? Is it not something to discuss like any other idea? So you're advocating the thought police should prohibit young adults from thinking about certain ideas? So you've deemed it totally useless - whatever happened about presenting all sides and letting people decide for themselves? I guess this is my point, regardless of what is being taught or not taught, my life experience has not been that of ultra woke college grads pushing socialism. I know some news programs that present that idea and repeat it over and over it's and claim it's everywhere but I can't recall witnessing it in person and I talk to a lot of college-age and young adults who have gone to schools all over the US.
4. Perhaps, or it's just for people to think about.
 
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One that doesn't victimize anyone anyone other than who is being attacked in these courses?
I understand, and agree. It would be great to have a [unified] school system that could just focus on academics but with the way society is combined with the gaps of knowledge, understanding, and acceptance, it leads me to below:

About establishing a problem, has it been established we have “systemic racism” and that we live in a white supremacy state?
Just like you, I see people working, going to school of all color, race and ethnicity. Where is the problem? Why do we need to have college courses about it?

White supremacy, no. Systemic racism, in a way yes. Legally, racism doesn't exist but I can 100% tell you racism still exist. Yes people of all color and ethnicity still go to the same school, shop at the same stores because legally they are able to. It wasn't that long ago when segregation was prevalent in the USA, especially in certain regions. Some members in this forum have posted how they still remember minorities sitting at the back of the bus or drinking from a different water fountain or beat if they went to go vote. We have college courses about it because some folks can't be bothered to realize this is the 21st century and racism *should* have no place, yet it still does. I'm sure everybody here remembers the discrimination protests a few years ago. I know Martin Luther King Jr is still taught in school and a national holiday. Here's a few discriminations that I've noticed since the 2000, in order too:
  1. Muslim hate after 9/11
  2. Black hate
  3. Latin/Hispanic hate
  4. Asian hate after Virginia Tech
  5. Muslim hate after that
  6. Back to Latin/Hispanic hate
  7. Asian/Black hate during CV19 and the protests
You ever wonder what it's like walking into a BBQ spot in the South, everybody there is of a ethnicity, and they look at you like there's an object growing out of your forehead? What about walking into a bakery owned by a certain race and they don't help you because of your ethnicity? Every get your sport equipment grabbed and thrown on the street by some cops of a certain race because "you can't afford anything like this so you must have stolen it?" Ever get called Corona Virus because of your ethnicity? Ever get called the Virginia Tech shooter because of your ethnicity? Ever get called the "N" word? Ever get told "selling drugs must be going good" because you're a minority with a nice car?
 
If you don't discuss various topics, such as Socialism vs Capitalism, how do you understand issues associated with them?
Your parents being from Ukraine should’ve given you all the knowledge you need. Nobody in the history could make it work, millions of lives have perished as a result, what is there to understand other than it’s an evil system?
 
I understand, and agree. It would be great to have a [unified] school system that could just focus on academics but with the way society is combined with the gaps of knowledge, understanding, and acceptance, it leads me to below:



White supremacy, no. Systemic racism, in a way yes. Legally, racism doesn't exist but I can 100% tell you racism still exist. Yes people of all color and ethnicity still go to the same school, shop at the same stores because legally they are able to. It wasn't that long ago when segregation was prevalent in the USA, especially in certain regions. Some members in this forum have posted how they still remember minorities sitting at the back of the bus or drinking from a different water fountain or beat if they went to go vote. We have college courses about it because some folks can't be bothered to realize this is the 21st century and racism *should* have no place, yet it still does. I'm sure everybody here remembers the discrimination protests a few years ago. I know Martin Luther King Jr is still taught in school and a national holiday. Here's a few discriminations that I've noticed since the 2000, in order too:
  1. Muslim hate after 9/11
  2. Black hate
  3. Latin/Hispanic hate
  4. Asian hate after Virginia Tech
  5. Muslim hate after that
  6. Back to Latin/Hispanic hate
  7. Asian/Black hate during CV19 and the protests
You ever wonder what it's like walking into a BBQ spot in the South, everybody there is of a ethnicity, and they look at you like there's an object growing out of your forehead? What about walking into a bakery owned by a certain race and they don't help you because of your ethnicity? Every get your sport equipment grabbed and thrown on the street by some cops of a certain race because "you can't afford anything like this so you must have stolen it?" Ever get called Corona Virus because of your ethnicity? Ever get called the Virginia Tech shooter because of your ethnicity? Ever get called the "N" word? Ever get told "selling drugs must be going good" because you're a minority with a nice car?

Yes I got called plenty of names and was bullied in high school because of my ethnicity and language barrier at the time, and I’m as white as white can be.
Please spare me the victim mentality.

Unless someone does actual violence against another person, words are just that. The people or groups of people that complain what others say about them, oftentimes do the exact same thing.
 
Your parents being from Ukraine should’ve given you all the knowledge you need. Nobody in the history could make it work, millions of lives have perished as a result, what is there to understand other than it’s an evil system?
Discussing something is not the same as advocating for something. His parents still had to tell him about communism even if their point was to tell him how wonderful capitalism is in all its glory. You seem to be advocating not talking about communism because you're afraid young people will think it's a good idea and glom onto it.
 
In my opinion, the public's collective brain has slipped a cog. Instead of thinking about whether they can afford to buy something, they wonder if they can afford the payments. Car salesmen even ask how big a payment you can afford. That's how people pay crazy prices for a vehicle or end up with a million dollar house they can no longer afford when the interest rate on their mortgage rises. "I used to be able to afford the payments" is no excuse.

I'm really old fashioned (stone age probably) but I never buy anything "on time" anymore. I bought my first car on time (6 payments) to establish a good credit rating and had a mortgage on our first house (paid that off in 5 years). As a result of good financial habits in my younger days I can now afford to buy pretty much anything I need or want.

But then again I don't want or need my own island, a corporate jet, a $5 million dollar house, or a Ferrari. But a Porsche 911 or a Tesla Model S Plaid maybe.
 
I know Manassas isn't that nice, but that is really cheap. Cannot find a decent condo in Richmond for that price. Heck all of the new ones they are building around me - and they are building TONS of them - are 400k and up.

Manassas isn't Richmond. Manassas is a suburb of DC and a trip to DC from Manassas will take you an hour and a half in rush hour traffic.

On the plus side, if you need weed, heroin, or meth, you won't have to go very far in Manassas to find it.
 
Discussing something is not the same as advocating for something. His parents still had to tell him about communism even if their point was to tell him how wonderful capitalism is in all its glory. You seem to be advocating not talking about communism because you're afraid young people will think it's a good idea and glom onto it.

Where do you think the idea of equality, systemic oppression, victimization and group ideology comes from? The change of language by the use of pronouns in todays case, which is just a start, do you think it’s new? It already has happened during Lenin takeover.

The “one percenters” you hear today were called bourgeoisie back then. The oppressed today (any person of color, trans etc) were the proletariat back then. Nothing is new.

Who do you mostly see at BLM “mostly peaceful” protests, or antifa rallies? Pretty much young people. They are the ones being manipulated, it’s not just innocent discussion as you suggest.
 
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