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0w20 Good or not
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Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
Because 0w20 cannot handle TGDI demands.
What kind of car do you have?
I have a 2016 Scion/Toyota iA which has a Mazda Skyactiv Direct Injection mill and calls for 0w20. Same goes for the wife's Corolla just a plain old MPFI Also takes 0w20 but much easier on oil.
Since 2012 I been a Toyota man and following manufacturers recommendation for 0w20.
Because 0w20 cannot handle TGDI demands.
What kind of car do you have?
I have a 2016 Scion/Toyota iA which has a Mazda Skyactiv Direct Injection mill and calls for 0w20. Same goes for the wife's Corolla just a plain old MPFI Also takes 0w20 but much easier on oil.
Since 2012 I been a Toyota man and following manufacturers recommendation for 0w20.
Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
Not this again...
Yep, here we go...........
Not this again...
Yep, here we go...........
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I don't fear the oil. I think in a MPFI engine designd for it, its fine. What scares me is a DI engine with 0w20.
Is that why Toyota specifies 0W-16 in its GDI engines?
My new 2018 Toyota Camry specifies 0W-16 oil. However the owners manual states that 0W-20 is acceptable, and can be used. So that is what I'm going to use, because I can't find 0W-16 on the shelves anywhere by me. And I'm not going to the dealer and pay over double, or order oil on Amazon. I'm sure eventually it will become more available. But in the mean time I'll just use 0W-20. Again, per the manual.
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I don't fear the oil. I think in a MPFI engine designd for it, its fine. What scares me is a DI engine with 0w20.
Is that why Toyota specifies 0W-16 in its GDI engines?
My new 2018 Toyota Camry specifies 0W-16 oil. However the owners manual states that 0W-20 is acceptable, and can be used. So that is what I'm going to use, because I can't find 0W-16 on the shelves anywhere by me. And I'm not going to the dealer and pay over double, or order oil on Amazon. I'm sure eventually it will become more available. But in the mean time I'll just use 0W-20. Again, per the manual.
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I don't fear the oil. I think in a MPFI engine designd for it, its fine. What scares me is a DI engine with 0w20.
Is that why Toyota specifies 0W-16 in its GDI engines?
My new 2018 Toyota Camry specifies 0W-16 oil. However the owners manual states that 0W-20 is acceptable, and can be used. So that is what I'm going to use, because I can't find 0W-16 on the shelves anywhere by me. And I'm not going to the dealer and pay over double, or order oil on Amazon. I'm sure eventually it will become more available. But in the mean time I'll just use 0W-20. Again, per the manual.
Didn't it also state that you had to revert to 0W16 at the next interval ?
I can buy 0W16 at my local parts place in OZ...
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I don't fear the oil. I think in a MPFI engine designd for it, its fine. What scares me is a DI engine with 0w20.
Is that why Toyota specifies 0W-16 in its GDI engines?
My new 2018 Toyota Camry specifies 0W-16 oil. However the owners manual states that 0W-20 is acceptable, and can be used. So that is what I'm going to use, because I can't find 0W-16 on the shelves anywhere by me. And I'm not going to the dealer and pay over double, or order oil on Amazon. I'm sure eventually it will become more available. But in the mean time I'll just use 0W-20. Again, per the manual.
Didn't it also state that you had to revert to 0W16 at the next interval ?
I can buy 0W16 at my local parts place in OZ...
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I don't fear the oil. I think in a MPFI engine designd for it, its fine. What scares me is a DI engine with 0w20.
Is that why Toyota specifies 0W-16 in its GDI engines?
My new 2018 Toyota Camry specifies 0W-16 oil. However the owners manual states that 0W-20 is acceptable, and can be used. So that is what I'm going to use, because I can't find 0W-16 on the shelves anywhere by me. And I'm not going to the dealer and pay over double, or order oil on Amazon. I'm sure eventually it will become more available. But in the mean time I'll just use 0W-20. Again, per the manual.
If it were mine i would simply run a 0W-30 or 5W-30 with the same specs
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I don't fear the oil. I think in a MPFI engine designd for it, its fine. What scares me is a DI engine with 0w20.
Is that why Toyota specifies 0W-16 in its GDI engines?
My new 2018 Toyota Camry specifies 0W-16 oil. However the owners manual states that 0W-20 is acceptable, and can be used. So that is what I'm going to use, because I can't find 0W-16 on the shelves anywhere by me. And I'm not going to the dealer and pay over double, or order oil on Amazon. I'm sure eventually it will become more available. But in the mean time I'll just use 0W-20. Again, per the manual.
If it were mine i would simply run a 0W-30 or 5W-30 with the same specs
Originally Posted By: Patman
Old habits die hard, that's why. (and people think they know better than the engineers who built the car, or they claim it's only a CAFE thing, pick your excuse)
Yes.
Plus these are the individuals that keep their vehicles for 500k miles where it will make a difference by then.
Old habits die hard, that's why. (and people think they know better than the engineers who built the car, or they claim it's only a CAFE thing, pick your excuse)
Yes.
Plus these are the individuals that keep their vehicles for 500k miles where it will make a difference by then.
Originally Posted By: Zee09
Poor engineering has always been abundant in the automotive industry.
I agree, we should go back to hand cranking our vehicles and get rid of power windows and the like. Hand crank windows worked just fine.
Poor engineering has always been abundant in the automotive industry.
I agree, we should go back to hand cranking our vehicles and get rid of power windows and the like. Hand crank windows worked just fine.
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Originally Posted By: 69Torino
Originally Posted By: spasm3
Originally Posted By: PimTac
0w20 is a great oil if that is what is specified for your car. Vehicles have been driven millions upon millions of miles with no mass engine failures reported. Most of the fears here are without basis.
This must be the Friday night thick vs thin thread.
I don't fear the oil. I think in a MPFI engine designd for it, its fine. What scares me is a DI engine with 0w20.
Kia and Hyundai 2.4 And 2.0 GDI engine’s drop like flies. Connecting rod bearing failures. They specify 5w-20 on the oil cap. When Kia sends you a replacement 2.4 or 2.0 long block, you better use the Mobil 5w-30 Kia supplied to fill the sump or the warranty claim won’t be paid. Coincidence?
NOPE
I read the call campaign process for engines under the TSB (metal shavings from mfc error at Alabama plant [for certain years]) that does call for 5W30 (pass or fail)...
RCMN-15V568-8190.pdf
The oil used to fill, pass or fail
I wonder why Conventional is used if "pass"
The campaign
Originally Posted By: spasm3
Originally Posted By: PimTac
0w20 is a great oil if that is what is specified for your car. Vehicles have been driven millions upon millions of miles with no mass engine failures reported. Most of the fears here are without basis.
This must be the Friday night thick vs thin thread.
I don't fear the oil. I think in a MPFI engine designd for it, its fine. What scares me is a DI engine with 0w20.
Kia and Hyundai 2.4 And 2.0 GDI engine’s drop like flies. Connecting rod bearing failures. They specify 5w-20 on the oil cap. When Kia sends you a replacement 2.4 or 2.0 long block, you better use the Mobil 5w-30 Kia supplied to fill the sump or the warranty claim won’t be paid. Coincidence?
NOPE
I read the call campaign process for engines under the TSB (metal shavings from mfc error at Alabama plant [for certain years]) that does call for 5W30 (pass or fail)...
RCMN-15V568-8190.pdf
The oil used to fill, pass or fail
I wonder why Conventional is used if "pass"
The campaign
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0w-20 vs. 5w-20?
There's no benefit to using the 0w-20 in hotter climates like SoCal, South Texas, Gulf Coast and Florida, etc. In fact, the 5w-20 would probably offer better protection year round. Maybe the engine wouldn't notice the difference until 200K, 300K, or more miles. Doesn't really matter. There's no reason to use a 0w-20 in those hotter climates. One size isn't optimal for all environments.
There's no benefit to using the 0w-20 in hotter climates like SoCal, South Texas, Gulf Coast and Florida, etc. In fact, the 5w-20 would probably offer better protection year round. Maybe the engine wouldn't notice the difference until 200K, 300K, or more miles. Doesn't really matter. There's no reason to use a 0w-20 in those hotter climates. One size isn't optimal for all environments.
Originally Posted By: 69GTX
0w-20 vs. 5w-20?
There's no benefit to using the 0w-20 in hotter climates like SoCal, South Texas, Gulf Coast and Florida, etc. In fact, the 5w-20 would probably offer better protection year round. Maybe the engine wouldn't notice the difference until 200K, 300K, or more miles. Doesn't really matter. There's no reason to use a 0w-20 in those hotter climates. One size isn't optimal for all environments.
What’s the difference between the two?
0w-20 vs. 5w-20?
There's no benefit to using the 0w-20 in hotter climates like SoCal, South Texas, Gulf Coast and Florida, etc. In fact, the 5w-20 would probably offer better protection year round. Maybe the engine wouldn't notice the difference until 200K, 300K, or more miles. Doesn't really matter. There's no reason to use a 0w-20 in those hotter climates. One size isn't optimal for all environments.
What’s the difference between the two?
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Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
I ran xW-20 in my 2010 FX4 for the whole 158K miles I owned it. I towed 8-9K pounds at least 45% of those miles in the mountains and in heat up to 117°F.
When I go to Walmart for oil purchases, I cannot find any that say xW-20. That's because there aren't any.
What is so hard to hit the 0 or 5 keys on your internet device, instead of x?
This website is intended to be an easy source for information for everyone (newbies too). So lets not treat your replies as intended only for oil phd's/experts.
I ran xW-20 in my 2010 FX4 for the whole 158K miles I owned it. I towed 8-9K pounds at least 45% of those miles in the mountains and in heat up to 117°F.
When I go to Walmart for oil purchases, I cannot find any that say xW-20. That's because there aren't any.
What is so hard to hit the 0 or 5 keys on your internet device, instead of x?
This website is intended to be an easy source for information for everyone (newbies too). So lets not treat your replies as intended only for oil phd's/experts.
Originally Posted By: PimTac
0w20 is a great oil if that is what is specified for your car. Vehicles have been driven millions upon millions of miles with no mass engine failures reported. Most of the fears here are without basis.
This must be the Friday night thick vs thin thread.
+1
0w20 is a great oil if that is what is specified for your car. Vehicles have been driven millions upon millions of miles with no mass engine failures reported. Most of the fears here are without basis.
This must be the Friday night thick vs thin thread.
+1
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Originally Posted By: 69GTX
0w-20 vs. 5w-20?
There's no benefit to using the 0w-20 in hotter climates like SoCal, South Texas, Gulf Coast and Florida, etc. In fact, the 5w-20 would probably offer better protection year round. Maybe the engine wouldn't notice the difference until 200K, 300K, or more miles. Doesn't really matter. There's no reason to use a 0w-20 in those hotter climates. One size isn't optimal for all environments.
What’s the difference between the two?
+1.
Once your engine is warmed up they are the same temp. Its clear some peoples biases are based on misunderstanding.
Originally Posted By: 69GTX
0w-20 vs. 5w-20?
There's no benefit to using the 0w-20 in hotter climates like SoCal, South Texas, Gulf Coast and Florida, etc. In fact, the 5w-20 would probably offer better protection year round. Maybe the engine wouldn't notice the difference until 200K, 300K, or more miles. Doesn't really matter. There's no reason to use a 0w-20 in those hotter climates. One size isn't optimal for all environments.
What’s the difference between the two?
+1.
Once your engine is warmed up they are the same temp. Its clear some peoples biases are based on misunderstanding.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Didn't it also state that you had to revert to 0W16 at the next interval?
Yes. Then it also states something about a higher viscosity oil if the vehicle is going to be run for long periods at high speeds in high temperatures.... Or words to that effect. I'd have to look it up. So it's a little contradictory.... Or you could buy another house in a cooler climate, then live there for the next oil change.
Didn't it also state that you had to revert to 0W16 at the next interval?
Yes. Then it also states something about a higher viscosity oil if the vehicle is going to be run for long periods at high speeds in high temperatures.... Or words to that effect. I'd have to look it up. So it's a little contradictory.... Or you could buy another house in a cooler climate, then live there for the next oil change.
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Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Originally Posted By: Patman
Old habits die hard, that's why. (and people think they know better than the engineers who built the car, or they claim it's only a CAFE thing, pick your excuse)
Don't you refuse to use the 4 cylinder mode in your Corvette?
I don't refuse to use it actually, I let it go into 4 cylinder mode most of the time, which is why I am able to get 40 MPG on the highway and am averaging 25.7 MPG since my last oil change (almost 4000 miles worth of driving)
Originally Posted By: Patman
Old habits die hard, that's why. (and people think they know better than the engineers who built the car, or they claim it's only a CAFE thing, pick your excuse)
Don't you refuse to use the 4 cylinder mode in your Corvette?
I don't refuse to use it actually, I let it go into 4 cylinder mode most of the time, which is why I am able to get 40 MPG on the highway and am averaging 25.7 MPG since my last oil change (almost 4000 miles worth of driving)
Patman
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Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: Zee09
Poor engineering has always been abundant in the automotive industry.
I agree, DI is poor engineering. I call it tech in reverse.
I think you are wrong about that. DI allows for more power and more fuel economy. It just needs to be tweaked in some applications that have more carbon buildup than others, but in general it's a big step forward in engine technology.
Originally Posted By: Zee09
Poor engineering has always been abundant in the automotive industry.
I agree, DI is poor engineering. I call it tech in reverse.
I think you are wrong about that. DI allows for more power and more fuel economy. It just needs to be tweaked in some applications that have more carbon buildup than others, but in general it's a big step forward in engine technology.
0W20, 5W20 and 0W16 sounds more technical than 15W20 and 10W16, therefor must be better and cost more.
Where can you find 15W20 and 10W16? Delo 400 SAE 20 & SAE 10.
Where can you find 15W20 and 10W16? Delo 400 SAE 20 & SAE 10.
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