0w-30 Mobil 1 Green Cap vs. German Castrol

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: modularv8
That is awesome and what I thought. I may go from Quaker State Horsepower to Mobil 1 5w20.


Just today I called Mobil tech and they said Mobil 1 5w20 Extended Performance meets the A1 test, but is not tested for A5 but will meet it.

 

[fdcg27]

Maybe because outside of our country, oil, like most liquids, is sold in liters and milliliters, not quarts and ounces?

 

[Mustang Man]

Well I went by Autozone tonight and looked around at oil. They only have 2 oils that are 0w30 (those in the topic). Autozone is crazy expensive on Mobil 1. I have no idea how they can compete with Wal-Mart on it.

Still the same deal on GC, only one bottle then behind it nothing but the American version. All of it rated SL.

I am really giving thought to using Amsoil 0w-30. The numbers put it as thicker then M1GC but thinner than GC. The TBN is 13.2! Heck even the bottle has a nice design with a long throat. I might not need a funnel, lol!

But it also depends on price. My Mustang takes 6 qts. so...

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Mobil 1 Green Cap (Wal-Mart)
$23.50 - 5 qt. jug
7.00 - 1 qt.
3.50 - Motorcraft Oil Filter

$34.00 - Total
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German Castrol (Autozone)
$44.94 - 6 qts. at $7.49 each
3.50 - Motorcraft Oil Filter

$48.44 - Total
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I am going to stop by the 2 local locations that have Amsoil hopefully tomorrow after work. I am going to take a guess and say it will be the same price as GC at Autozone.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Maybe because outside of our country, oil, like most liquids, is sold in liters and milliliters, not quarts and ounces?


Mine is sold in litres, with English and French labeling because of Canada's language laws. It still says not for sale outside the Americas.

 

[Mustang Man]

Both of the local locations for Amsoil are Farm & Home Supply stores in different towns both nearby where I live. I couldn't find 0w30 in Amsoil, but there was pretty much every other one. The XL stuff was priced at $6.99/qt. and the better stuff was at $8.99/qt.

So using the figures in my other post...

Amsoil
$53.94 - 6 qts. at $8.99 each
3.50 - Motorcraft Oil Filter
$57.44 - Total

That is an expensive oil change IMO.

If I could EASILY find Valvoline MaxLife Full Synthetic 5w30 (I wish Valvoline had it in 0w-30), I would use it.

So at this point, I think I am going to go with the Mobil 1 GC in 0w-30. My ultimate goal is to be able to do 10K OCIs with an oil filter replacement and oil top off at 5K.

 

[Gary Allan]

If you're going to use any two fluids to some lower standard of use, then the cheapest product will win every time hands down. That's simple math. 10k is nothing for (probably) even the XL (cheaper) Amsoil product. Using anything else from Amsoil for 10k ..unless 10k took up the whole year, would be a waste of the product.

The only reason to buy an upper tier product is to save money and/or time. It can be difficult to get some to wrap around the concept.

 

[Mustang Man]

I would think cost would be an important factor regardless. The more important thing, to me at least, is that I can find the M1GC easily. No special trips to go oil hunting.

I do like that the Amsoil 0w30 is suppose to be good for 35K miles under normal service. But then if I was going for extremely long OCIs, I would want several used oil analysis ran on the oil. Actually a user going for that high of an OCI is probably forced into doing this.

Definitely the oil that is the easiest for one to get, meets their needs, has a great reputation, and has a fair price will easily win.

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: Mustang Man
Both of the local locations for Amsoil are Farm & Home Supply stores in different towns both nearby where I live. I couldn't find 0w30 in Amsoil, but there was pretty much every other one. The XL stuff was priced at $6.99/qt. and the better stuff was at $8.99/qt.

So using the figures in my other post...

Amsoil
$53.94 - 6 qts. at $8.99 each
3.50 - Motorcraft Oil Filter
$57.44 - Total

That is an expensive oil change IMO.

If I could EASILY find Valvoline MaxLife Full Synthetic 5w30 (I wish Valvoline had it in 0w-30), I would use it.

So at this point, I think I am going to go with the Mobil 1 GC in 0w-30. My ultimate goal is to be able to do 10K OCIs with an oil filter replacement and oil top off at 5K.


Which towns are the Rural King stores in that you are talking about? The RK stores in Collinsville and Highland has Amsoil. That's where I get Amsoil Saber 2 cycle oil at.

 

[Kurt_Hectic]

mobil 1 green cap 0w30 vs Castrol syntec 0w30

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ACEA A1/B1 vs ACEA A3/B4 ?

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I select castrol syntec 0w30 A3/B4.

 

[Mustang Man]

Originally Posted By: tig1
Which towns are the Rural King stores in that you are talking about? The RK stores in Collinsville and Highland has Amsoil. That's where I get Amsoil Saber 2 cycle oil at.

No Rural King here. Just Farm & Home Supply.

 

[Mustang Man]

I thought I read in another thread that M1GC could meet the A5/B5 spec. But I would feel better if it said it right on the bottle.

 

[subiedriver]

My '04 Suby Legacy 2.5 n/a specs a GF-3 or SL grade 5w30, energy conserving. The Mobil 1 0w30 is fine for me, as its a GF-4, SM oil, which meets the corvette spec. Without the corvette spec, I wouldn't buy it.

 

[BobFout]

CG and Mobil 1 0w30 are totally different oils. Comparing them in the same context one might as well compare an apple and a watermelon.

One is a thick gas/diesel Euro 30wt with an HTHS of 3.6 or 3.7, the other a thinner gas API 30 wt with an HTHS of 3.

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: BobFout
CG and Mobil 1 0w30 are totally different oils. Comparing them in the same context one might as well compare an apple and a watermelon.

One is a thick gas/diesel Euro 30wt with an HTHS of 3.6 or 3.7, the other a thinner gas API 30 wt with an HTHS of 3.


Thanks, you get it. Geeez.

 

[Gary Allan]

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I would think cost would be an important factor regardless.


Cost per mile is important. There are a bunch here that spend way more per mile hanging with 3k/3m when they can do much longer, but for them it's "cheap insurance".

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I do like that the Amsoil 0w30 is suppose to be good for 35K miles under normal service. But then if I was going for extremely long OCIs, I would want several used oil analysis ran on the oil.


That's because you're here. If you weren't, or otherwise conditioned, you wouldn't even know what a used oil analysis was.

Quote:
Actually a user going for that high of an OCI is probably forced into doing this.


No, the user is otherwise, if trapped into the very expensive "cheap insurance" prison, forced to do up to 12 service events per year. Since their oil isn't quart, there's plenty of room to meet in the middle without going to any limits for a different form of "insurance".


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Definitely the oil that is the easiest for one to get, meets their needs, has a great reputation, and has a fair price will easily win.


As I said, it's a hard concept to wrap around.

 

[fdcg27]

Maybe because it is so much less expensive, even in Canada, than it is in Europe?
Can't have people buying up container loads of the stuff at North American prices and then reselling it in Europe, where motor oil prices are even more amusing relative to North America than are fuel prices.
Or it could just be that the Canadian dialects of either French or English are incomprehensible to speakers of the native tongue, including the written language? J/K in the last bit.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Maybe because it is so much less expensive, even in Canada, than it is in Europe?
Can't have people buying up container loads of the stuff at North American prices and then reselling it in Europe, where motor oil prices are even more amusing relative to North America than are fuel prices.
Or it could just be that the Canadian dialects of either French or English are incomprehensible to speakers of the native tongue, including the written language? J/K in the last bit.


He he. From my experience in the retail sector, it probably has something to do with some obscure labeling or packaging rule. To sell American products in Canada, all we really need up here are French/English labels and metric measures, which are allowed to co-exist with either U.S. or Imperial measures. That being said, there are plenty of products for sale in Canada that don't meet Canadian rules, and only meet American rules. RP is an example. GC, or anything, for that matter, from BP or Exxon Mobil or SOPUS will meet the requirements; they are large companies and follow the labeling laws to the letter. That's helpful when one wishes to sell a product in Quebec.

Here in Saskatchewan, no one's going to care that RP has English-only labeling. Try that in Quebec City and see how far you get.

Another possibly related issue is duties. For example, cigarettes that are manufactured in Canada to be exported to the States cannot be imported back to Canada without the duties being paid and are marked as for sale in the U.S. only. The tobacco companies got into huge trouble over that. So, perhaps it's a similar situation that a product made in Germany can only be sold in the Americas. If the German or EU taxes and tariffs have not been paid on it, and it's been approved entry into the NAFTA market, it stands to reason that it would be for sale only in the Americas.

Yes, the Europeans get hosed for oil. Canadians have it bad, but not that bad. Sales have been good as of late. Speaking of which, I got hosed on my GC purchase. Canadian Tire had 30% off the following week. Walmart would probably give me a credit, but I don't know if it's worth the effort. I may check into it.

 

[Audi Junkie]

Originally Posted By: modularv8

Mr. Junk, the fallacy to your argument is that you are only presenting ACEA specs. Motor oils can meet several specs simultaneously. Mobil 1 0w30 also meets API SM, ILSAC GF-4, Ford WSS-M2C929-A, GM4718, and Chrysler MS6395.

These specs when placed together on the same spider diagram not only overlap the ACEA A5/B5-08 specs, but extends beyond the performance of the ACEA specs on the same spider peformance diagram. These key areas include oxidative thickening, sludge protection, seal compatibility, rust protection, fuel economy, and piston cleanliness. All while maintaining the same wear protection peformance of the ACEA A5/B5-08 spec.

Your fallacy is known as a "false delimma" where you present only two alternatives and create the assumption that the only alternative to the ACEA A5/B5-08 spec is ACEA A1/B1. But as you see Mobil 1 0w30 also meets other specs that offers a greater performance alternative to the ACEA A5/B5-08 argument you have intentionally laid out.



I'm presenting ACEA A1 vs A5 "dilemma" because the two spec test sequences are DIRECTLY COMPARABLE.

You state the group of American spces exceed ACEA "when placed on the spider graph". Well, were is that graph? Where are your references? How do you claim those specs exceed ACEA when you have no data? How do you rank those speces anyway?

You listed-

API SM, ILSAC GF-4, Ford WSS-M2C929-A, GM4718, and Chrysler MS6395.

Where can you show ANY of them exceed ACEA A5? That's what it would take to revive your argument that A1-rated Mobil 1 0w30 is the equivalent of an A5 oil, like Pennzoil Platinum 5w30.

The only "false dilemma" is your contention these specs supercede A5, when they do not.

 

[Audi Junkie]

Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Originally Posted By: daman
Truth hurt there, JUNK.


The "truth", like Mobil 1 failing Seq IVA, only making ACEA A1 and poor cold flow?

Poor cold flow? lol,all mine lite right up in our MI cold [censored] winters, no engines blew up,whats your next bash BOY!

and your Seq IVA bash is also along with most your comments a joke,your only making a [censored] outa your self trying to prove M1 is inferior.


"Your dash lights"? lol. Very scientific.

Mobil 1 0w30 is thicker than Pennzoil Platinum 5w30 across the board. Maybe you want to try looking at the visc calculator yourself...before you post your reply.

 

[Audi Junkie]

Originally Posted By: buster
Quote:
Thank you for your inquiry,

A: The current Mobil 1 0w30 was not fully tested against the ACEA A5/B5 requirements but technically it should be able to meet these standards.

A: As Mobil 1 products move to new ILSAC GF-5 specification we will be updating also to new ACEA -08 standard as appropriate by grade.

MJ


Great customer service from Mobil. Here is their response.


"Should" be able to pass? I just picked up some Mobil 1 10w30 High Mileage and 10w-40 High Mileage for the Tiguan. I also checked the 5w30 High Mileage while I was there. There carried A3 and A5, respectively. Mobil seem to have no issues in properly labeling these grades.

It does not seem plausible they list an A1 spec if it "should" meet A5, when they don't even have to submit for ACEA sequence approval, it's a self-reported spec. Will all due respect, that claim from Mobil customer service is a load of smoke.