0w-30 Mobil 1 Green Cap vs. German Castrol

[Craig in Canada]

Originally Posted By: Mustang Man
When I was at my local Autozone a week ago, there was only one bottle of 0w30 Castrol that said it was made in Germany on the rack. Behind it was nothing but the made in America version.


That's left over from BEFORE the German stuff was here in NA

 

[Mustang Man]

Originally Posted By: Craig in Canada
Originally Posted By: Mustang Man
When I was at my local Autozone a week ago, there was only one bottle of 0w30 Castrol that said it was made in Germany on the rack. Behind it was nothing but the made in America version.


That's left over from BEFORE the German stuff was here in NA

Newest in front is what you are saying? I guess the Autozone stockers are getting lazy instead of back-loading the shelf like they are suppose to, lol.

 

[Nickdfresh]

Why would an oil marketed only in North America (IIRC) have to meet any Euro spec? Long drain spec's seem to mean little as Castrol Edge touts itself as a 15K drain oil, yet the TBN seems to erode quickly even in short drain intervals.

But it's A5 rated with a high TBN. So it must be good! Right? Riggghhttt!!! People here rarely seem to run even their synthetics longer than 8K miles. So what's the concern?

 

[Audi Junkie]

Originally Posted By: daman
an oil doesn't have to be A5 to use in extended OCI applications im proof of it!

for the price of a used oil analysis i'll just buy more M1.


That's pretty funny, you have zero "proof" or data that Mobil 1 is working properly, compared to GC or ANY other oil *and* you refuse to collect any data that may prove otherwise. Typical.

And of course, you know better than the ACEA test sequence would indicate.

 

[Craig in Canada]

Originally Posted By: Mustang Man

Newest in front is what you are saying? I guess the Autozone stockers are getting lazy instead of back-loading the shelf like they are suppose to, lol.


Where it is on the shelf only indicates where the minimum wage high school kid stacked it.

Check the date codes stamped on the bottom of the bottles if you want the whole story. I think people are still reporting finding 2001-vintage US Syntec 0W30 in stores.

If you find a 2010 date code bottle of Syntec 0W30 with "Made in USA" on it, then it will be news.

 

[subiedriver]

My daily commute is 88 miles round trip on the highway, I'm perfectly comfortable running Mobil 1 0w30 to 7000 miles under these conditions, even if it is only rated A1, still meets the corvette spec, which means its a good oil.

 

[Y_K]

If the AFE does really saves some fuel it may be the most suitable to use. But under those conditions any oil would do.

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Originally Posted By: daman
an oil doesn't have to be A5 to use in extended OCI applications im proof of it!

for the price of a used oil analysis i'll just buy more M1.


That's pretty funny, you have zero "proof" or data that Mobil 1 is working properly, compared to GC or ANY other oil *and* you refuse to collect any data that may prove otherwise. Typical.

And of course, you know better than the ACEA test sequence would indicate.

What other proof would I need there JUNK??? your a piece of work dude or a piece of....

 

[Newtonville]

Originally Posted By: Craig in Canada
Originally Posted By: Mustang Man

Newest in front is what you are saying? I guess the Autozone stockers are getting lazy instead of back-loading the shelf like they are suppose to, lol.


Where it is on the shelf only indicates where the minimum wage high school kid stacked it.

Check the date codes stamped on the bottom of the bottles if you want the whole story. I think people are still reporting finding 2001-vintage US Syntec 0W30 in stores.

If you find a 2010 date code bottle of Syntec 0W30 with "Made in USA" on it, then it will be news.



Around here it is the minimum wage 64 year old guy who lost his job, house, wife, and now he looks 80. Seriously, I talked to a guy like this stocking the shelves. And he only gets part time hours. As long as the Chinese are rich I guess it is alright though.

 

[modularv8]

Mr. Junk has an interesting personality and a passion for Castrol Syntec 0w30, almost a preoccupation with it. I understand we have our favorite something (brand) in life, but for someone to spend their time on a forum trying desperately to convince the other members that Mobil 1 isn't great is insane.

I wouldn't normally respond to these types of posts but sometimes a person needs to be called out for being shameful. Clearly, XOM is the leader in synthetic lubricants and competitors are trying to take its spot. Not likely to happen in my lifetime given XOM's position as a premier chemical supplier and innovator of these advanced synthetic base fluids. Having said that, marketers formulate to position their product for a particular segment. The formulated product may exceed certain specifications but not have the certifications because the formulator chosed not to attain them. Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy was offered by XOM to target the "green" consumer. It is extremely difficult to formulate 0w30 without significant use of PAO. So the use of PAO is not unique to Castrol Syntec 0w30. The same is true for 0w20 and the reason why even Mobil 1 0w20 meets the GM4718 "high performance" spec.

 

[Y_K]

What makes us believe that GC is PAO in the first place? The fact that it is made in Germany? It says 'Not for sale outside US' on the bottle. It can be made anywhere in the world yet as long as it's for sale in US it can be G3 and still called a synthetic. Branding goes a long way.

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: modularv8
Mr. Junk has an interesting personality and a passion for Castrol Syntec 0w30, almost a preoccupation with it. I understand we have our favorite something (brand) in life, but for someone to spend their time on a forum trying desperately to convince the other members that Mobil 1 isn't great is insane.

I wouldn't normally respond to these types of posts but sometimes a person needs to be called out for being shameful. Clearly, XOM is the leader in synthetic lubricants and competitors are trying to take its spot. Not likely to happen in my lifetime given XOM's position as a premier chemical supplier and innovator of these advanced synthetic base fluids. Having said that, marketers formulate to position their product for a particular segment. The formulated product may exceed certain specifications but not have the certifications because the formulator chosed not to attain them. Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy was offered by XOM to target the "green" consumer. It is extremely difficult to formulate 0w30 without significant use of PAO. So the use of PAO is not unique to Castrol Syntec 0w30. The same is true for 0w20 and the reason why even Mobil 1 0w20 meets the GM4718 "high performance" spec.

BINGO!

 

[Audi Junkie]

Originally Posted By: Y_K
What makes us believe that GC is PAO in the first place? The fact that it is made in Germany? It says 'Not for sale outside US' on the bottle. It can be made anywhere in the world yet as long as it's for sale in US it can be G3 and still called a synthetic. Branding goes a long way.


Uhh, independent lab work by a respected forum member that was partly sponsored by yours truly. Hello 2004.

Maybe more reading and less posting is the solution, as quite often seems to be the case recently. I would recommend starting with the German Syntec Forum, err, "European Oils Forum"....unless you've read all 16 pages of the header topic already, lol.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/faq-gc-german-castrol.57138/

 

[Audi Junkie]

Originally Posted By: modularv8
Mr. Junk has an interesting personality and a passion for Castrol Syntec 0w30, almost a preoccupation with it. I understand we have our favorite something (brand) in life, but for someone to spend their time on a forum trying desperately to convince the other members that Mobil 1 isn't great is insane.

I wouldn't normally respond to these types of posts but sometimes a person needs to be called out for being shameful. Clearly, XOM is the leader in synthetic lubricants and competitors are trying to take its spot. Not likely to happen in my lifetime given XOM's position as a premier chemical supplier and innovator of these advanced synthetic base fluids. Having said that, marketers formulate to position their product for a particular segment. The formulated product may exceed certain specifications but not have the certifications because the formulator chosed not to attain them. Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy was offered by XOM to target the "green" consumer. It is extremely difficult to formulate 0w30 without significant use of PAO. So the use of PAO is not unique to Castrol Syntec 0w30. The same is true for 0w20 and the reason why even Mobil 1 0w20 meets the GM4718 "high performance" spec.



Oh, the irony!!!

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Originally Posted By: modularv8
Mr. Junk has an interesting personality and a passion for Castrol Syntec 0w30, almost a preoccupation with it. I understand we have our favorite something (brand) in life, but for someone to spend their time on a forum trying desperately to convince the other members that Mobil 1 isn't great is insane.

I wouldn't normally respond to these types of posts but sometimes a person needs to be called out for being shameful. Clearly, XOM is the leader in synthetic lubricants and competitors are trying to take its spot. Not likely to happen in my lifetime given XOM's position as a premier chemical supplier and innovator of these advanced synthetic base fluids. Having said that, marketers formulate to position their product for a particular segment. The formulated product may exceed certain specifications but not have the certifications because the formulator chosed not to attain them. Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy was offered by XOM to target the "green" consumer. It is extremely difficult to formulate 0w30 without significant use of PAO. So the use of PAO is not unique to Castrol Syntec 0w30. The same is true for 0w20 and the reason why even Mobil 1 0w20 meets the GM4718 "high performance" spec.



Oh, the irony!!!

Truth hurt there, JUNK.

 

[Audi Junkie]

Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: modularv8
It is extremely difficult to formulate 0w30 without significant use of PAO. So the use of PAO is not unique to Castrol Syntec 0w30. The same is true for 0w20 and the reason why even Mobil 1 0w20 meets the GM4718 "high performance" spec.

BINGO!


Oh, so we have some more experienced formulators here!

FYI- Havoline's Synthetic line meets GM4718 and they publicize the fact they use only G-III base oil....so BZZT.

 

[Audi Junkie]

Originally Posted By: daman
Truth hurt there, JUNK.


The "truth", like Mobil 1 failing Seq IVA, only making ACEA A1 and poor cold flow?

 

[Nickdfresh]

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Originally Posted By: daman
Truth hurt there, JUNK.


The "truth", like Mobil 1 failing Seq IVA,


Based on a competitor's testing of a weight we're not even discussing here...

Quote:
...only making ACEA A1


Utterly meaningless. That's like saying that German Castrol is a poor oil because it doesn't meet the GM4817 spec, or it cannot pass the HTO-06 spec...

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Originally Posted By: daman
Truth hurt there, JUNK.


The "truth", like Mobil 1 failing Seq IVA, only making ACEA A1 and poor cold flow?

Poor cold flow? lol,all mine lite right up in our MI cold [censored] winters, no engines blew up,whats your next bash BOY!

and your Seq IVA bash is also along with most your comments a joke,your only making a [censored] outa your self trying to prove M1 is inferior.

 

[Gary Allan]

This still going on?

Remember. Your oil cannot love you back. It's totally indifferent to your disposition.