Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted By: irv
Originally Posted By: blupupher
Well, to actually answer the questions,
Fram (and other filter manufacturers) does not recommend removing the filter to "drain" it. The gaskets are designed for one time use.
There are some that do remove them and re-install them, but again, not recommended.
The amount of oil in the filter is minimal (unless you have like a FL1A sized filter that holds around 3/4 qt, and those motors usually hold 7+ qts), so it really does not make a difference.
The Fram Ultra (and other full synthetic media filters) can last a long time.
Fram has a dual layer media (as do others, but some are single layer) that allows for ultra fine filtering as well as a long life without clogging up.
And yes, IMO, if you buy an Ultra and don't use it for at least 10,000 miles, you are wasting your money.
It is a filter that is designed (and real world use has shown to be accurate) to be used for 20,000 miles.
A Fram ToughGuard will filter just as well, has a silicone ADV, and is a few buck cheaper.
This filter is designed for 10,000 miles, so many would say a waste at a 5,000 mile interval;
although I think it is a great choice for a high filtration, shorter interval filter.
Or if you are only doing 5,000 mile changes, a regular orange can will suffice.
Why spend more on something that is the "best" when a less expensive product will do the exact same thing?
Thanks for the honest reply. I am not really sure yet what mileage this car will see but I am guessing likely around 5-6,000 miles a year, at most?
To alleviate my worries, I will use Fram Tough Guards or I'll see what the CarQuest premiums cost first then decide? I guess I am too old now as you'll never see this guy not change out a filter when I change my oil. I know it likely has/is being done more and more but I still can't wrap my head around the notion of doing that, even if the dirty oil in was dumped out.
I appreciate the info.
That oil filter you just threw out prematurely will operate better used than new in trapping contaminants.
Do you realize that when you change the oil,
almost a quart of old oil remains inside the engine? So what's wrong with another additional 8oz of used oil, which most filters contain?
Why throw away money earned and pollute more landfills, when not necessary? That's like taking that $6 you paid for that Tough-guard and throwing it down the sewer.
Don't waste money you labored to earn.
The average engine holds five quarts of oil and your engine will never notice the additional eight ounces of old oil, nor will it shorten your next OCI.
Plus, your filter operates better on the 2nd OCI with the same filter.
If it bothers you that much, unscrew the old filter - drain it and reinstall it. I do it constantly. It only takes a few minutes to drain it thoroughly, by tipping it over & back every minute or two. I keep a 2nd oil bucket for just emptying the old filter, prior to reinstallation.
Then wipe the exterior with a paper towel - oil the gasket again and reinstall it. Our garbage dumps will thank you someday, for the space-savings you created.
What filter are you referring too, and please tell me, with your
"So what's wrong with another additional 8oz of used oil, which most filters contain?" where do you draw the line, at an additional 10oz's, 15, 30?
I don't know about where you live, but we have a recycling section at our local landfill. All the used oil and filters are placed in tanks and storage bins. Obviously, the oil gets recycled and the filters are crushed to squeeze out the remaining oil then they go to recycled metal. Other than the internal pleats, the majority of the filter is recycled as far as I know.
You mention, "Plus, your filter operates better on the 2nd OCI with the same filter". How is that known, have tests/analysis been done to prove that somehow, and if so, can you direct me to those?
Like I originally stated in my opening post, I am just trying to learn/educate myself about all this so show some forgiveness with my ignorance. I'm learning as I go here.
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