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#4297530 - 01/09/17 09:54 AM New 2018 F150 Powertrains
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The new F-150 introduces an all-new, standard 3.3-liter V6 engine, with direct-injection for increased efficiency. The 3.3-liter V6 is expected to offer the same 282 horsepower and 253 lb.-ft. of torque as the previous modelís standard 3.5-liter V6.

An all-new second-generation 2.7-liter EcoBoost engine features advanced dual port and direct injection technology, reduced internal friction and improved robustness Ė all for improved levels of output, efficiency, quality and durability. Like the 3.5-liter EcoBoost, the 2.7-liter EcoBoost will be paired to the segment-exclusive 10-speed automatic transmission for 2018.

The 5.0-liter V8 also sees improvements in 2018, as the naturally aspirated engine features significant upgrades for increased power and torque. Itís also paired with the 10-speed automatic transmission for the first time.

The 2018 F-150 also adds an available all-new 3.0-liter Power Stroke diesel engine, designed, engineered and tested in-house and paired with the 10-speed automatic transmission. Itís the first-ever diesel engine offered for F-150.

In addition to the segment-first 10-speed automatic, the Ford F-150 is now the first full-size pickup truck to add automatic start/stop as standard equipment across all models and engines.


https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia...150-pickup.html

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#4297543 - 01/09/17 10:05 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: SubLGT]
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And because 1/2 ton crew cab pickups are now America's favorite large passenger vehicle, 3 (or 4?) luxury versions will be available: King Ranch, Platinum, and Limited.

No mention of a "Brodozer Package" in the press release. whistle

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#4297544 - 01/09/17 10:05 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: SubLGT]
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They certainly sound interesting. Lot of potential. I am eager to see how they will handle in the "real world."
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#4297547 - 01/09/17 10:08 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: Bgallagher]
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Originally Posted By: Bgallagher
They certainly sound interesting. Lot of potential. I am eager to see how they will handle in the "real world."


+1 I'll let the early adopters report back.
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#4297549 - 01/09/17 10:09 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: SubLGT]
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Ford leading the pack.... I'll take one, when my '11 blows away!
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#4297558 - 01/09/17 10:20 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: SubLGT]
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3.0 diesel sounds interesting. But like was already said, I'll wait to hear the reports from the guinea pigs.
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#4297571 - 01/09/17 10:37 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: SubLGT]
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Originally Posted By: SubLGT


No mention of a "Brodozer Package" in the press release. whistle


Hey, they've got to leave something for the aftermarket...

More specs on the diesel would be interesting.

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#4297588 - 01/09/17 10:51 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: SubLGT]
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Auto stop/start standard across the line.... Yuck! Had a rental car with that "feature" for a week last summer, there was no way to disable it. Really disliked and didn't get used to auto stop/start, and I won't buy a car that has it. I'm too old school I guess...
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#4297613 - 01/09/17 11:24 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: SubLGT]
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Originally Posted By: SubLGT


No mention of a "Brodozer Package" in the press release. whistle

banana

Although I think it only makes sense to offer the Transit's diesel engine, economies of scale - but why hasn't Ford simply tweaked the 2.7L Ecoboost to a be a diesel, it's built almost like a diesel engine with a iron block...

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#4297621 - 01/09/17 11:35 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: nthach]
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Originally Posted By: nthach
Originally Posted By: SubLGT


No mention of a "Brodozer Package" in the press release. whistle

banana

Although I think it only makes sense to offer the Transit's diesel engine, economies of scale - but why hasn't Ford simply tweaked the 2.7L Ecoboost to a be a diesel, it's built almost like a diesel engine with a iron block...


Maybe they still have memories of GM trying this. Not to mention issues they've had with International based diesels.

I wonder if the 3.0L diesel is something from their European operations they will be bringing here?

I doubt a multinational corporation like Ford would need to kludge together a diesel. There is probably one that is in use in Europe, Asia or Australia that could be brought here.
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#4297627 - 01/09/17 11:41 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: SubLGT]
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That's an interesting question. I know diesels used to have sky-high compression, in order to start up. Today it seems to have come down a bit, for NOx. Still, given the high torque coming out, I have to wonder if peak cylinder pressures are well above what the gas engine would generate. That in turns drives for wide bearing journals etc. Which would be a power-loss (maybe not huge but still a CAFE consideration) for the gas engine version.
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#4297629 - 01/09/17 11:45 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: SubLGT]
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10 speed auto? My neighbors 4 speed in the F350 died first year of residential plowing my house. Maybe he didn't know whet he was doing. Or it was just a ford.

New F150 are fargly
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#4297630 - 01/09/17 11:45 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: javacontour]
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Originally Posted By: javacontour
Ö.I wonder if the 3.0L diesel is something from their European operations they will be bringing here?...


http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1108...-in-summer-2018

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Details are remarkably scarce on the F-150's new Power Stroke V-6, but here's what we could pry out of the Blue Oval at a backgrounder for the refreshed 2018 pickup.

Despite the Power Stroke branding, the Ford-built, Ford-designed engine is a derivative of the so-called Lion engine family.

If that sounds just slightly familiar, itís because Jaguar Land Rover dubs its version of the Lion engine in the U.S. and its U.K. home market the TDV6.

Beyond the Range Rover, the 3.0-liter Lion also motivates a variety of other vehicles not sold in North America, from not only JLR but also Peugeot Citroen.

In the Range Rover, the 3.0-liter is good for 254 horsepower, 443 ft-lbs of torque, and a 25-mpg combined EPA rating.

Instead of hard numbers, the Blue Oval is holding specifics until closer to the F-150 diesel's summer 2018 release.

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#4297641 - 01/09/17 11:56 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: carviewsonic]
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Originally Posted By: carviewsonic
Auto stop/start standard across the line.... Yuck! Had a rental car with that "feature" for a week last summer, there was no way to disable it. Really disliked and didn't get used to auto stop/start, and I won't buy a car that has it. I'm too old school I guess...
Yep it sucks.

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#4297653 - 01/09/17 12:08 PM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: SubLGT]
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Glad to see them adopting, if not leading in the new tech department. However, I wont be the one to test it out to see how they hold up long term.
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#4297655 - 01/09/17 12:09 PM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: SubLGT]
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Originally Posted By: SubLGT
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An all-new second-generation 2.7-liter EcoBoost engine features advanced dual port and direct injection technology

...


https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia...150-pickup.html



This should help minimize carbon buildup on the intake valves...no walnut shell blasting necessary!
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#4297679 - 01/09/17 12:33 PM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: CT8]
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Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: carviewsonic
Auto stop/start standard across the line.... Yuck! Had a rental car with that "feature" for a week last summer, there was no way to disable it. Really disliked and didn't get used to auto stop/start, and I won't buy a car that has it. I'm too old school I guess...
Yep it sucks.


It's one of my favorite features on my truck.
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#4297739 - 01/09/17 01:25 PM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: SubLGT]
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My 2017 cherokee has auto stop/start.

I dont mind it. One button press taking aprox .75second disables it until the next time you start the vehicle.

Its not always appropriate such as high humidity low temp conditions.
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#4297805 - 01/09/17 02:40 PM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: CT8]
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Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: carviewsonic
Auto stop/start standard across the line.... Yuck! Had a rental car with that "feature" for a week last summer, there was no way to disable it. Really disliked and didn't get used to auto stop/start, and I won't buy a car that has it. I'm too old school I guess...
Yep it sucks.


Call me old school too. Hopefully if I'm forced into that technology at some point in time there's an easy way to disable it, preferably for good. With all the stop and go traffic here that's the last thing I want.
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#4297966 - 01/09/17 05:50 PM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: SubLGT]
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http://articles.sae.org/15195/

Ford is aiming for 30mpg highway with the V6 diesel

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The 3.0-L PowerStroke V6, based on Fordís proven ĎLioní family developed in-house for group use when Ford owned Jaguar Land Rover is currently offered in Range Rover models. The 84 x 90-mm bore/stroke engine features a compacted-graphite iron (CGI) cylinder block and aluminum DOHC heads. It is expected to enable the Dearborn automaker to claim best-in-class fuel efficiency for its highest-volume and most profitable model. The diesel will also be a significant step toward getting F-150 into federal CAFE compliance for MY2025, which mandates a minimum 30-mpg highway/23 city rating for vehicles with a minimum footprint of 75 ft2 (7 m).

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#4297996 - 01/09/17 06:20 PM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: SubLGT]
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Auto-stop better be smart on the turbodiesel: turning off engine while turbine is hot is recipe for cooking it.

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#4298041 - 01/09/17 07:04 PM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: SubLGT]
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The Diesel has been rumored since early last year. The 3.0 option is from their Euro lines, Land Rovers Lion engine.

Nice torque and hp numbers, but I wonder what the real world mileage will be like and what the engine upcharge will be?
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#4298042 - 01/09/17 07:05 PM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: DrRoughneck]
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Originally Posted By: DrRoughneck
Auto-stop better be smart on the turbodiesel: turning off engine while turbine is hot is recipe for cooking it.


The Ecoboosts are all turbos too, at least they'll be cooking turbos and oil across the board!
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#4298208 - 01/09/17 09:31 PM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: SubLGT]
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How is start stop in a turbo engine a good idea? The wide temperature swings and rotational speeds seems like this would quickly wear out parts due to mechanical stresses.

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#4298227 - 01/09/17 10:00 PM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: nobb]
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Originally Posted By: nobb
How is start stop in a turbo engine a good idea? The wide temperature swings and rotational speeds seems like this would quickly wear out parts due to mechanical stresses.


Modern engine computers calculate all sorts of things like engine run time and power output. Wouldn't be too hard to correlate run time and power output to make a tree of when to shut down or not.

Also, there's almost nothing to wear in a journal bearing like the modern production gas-engine turbos use. Add in that all these turbos are actively and passively water-cooled in addition to oil-cooled. Their temperatures do not swing as dramatically as turbos of 30 years ago. Practice good maintenance and it'll be fine.

Mid-20's MPG average for a body on frame barn door is pretty darned good. And 30 mpg highway would be unreal in a pickup.
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#4298230 - 01/09/17 10:04 PM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: 09_GXP]
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Originally Posted By: 09_GXP
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: carviewsonic
Auto stop/start standard across the line.... Yuck! Had a rental car with that "feature" for a week last summer, there was no way to disable it. Really disliked and didn't get used to auto stop/start, and I won't buy a car that has it. I'm too old school I guess...
Yep it sucks.


It's one of my favorite features on my truck.

When BMW introduced A/S system, it could be turned off, but it would activate itself next time. There were so much complaints for not being able to disable for good, that BMW updated software to allow that.
Strange that FORD did not learn this lesson from BMW, since it happened in 2011.
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#4298278 - 01/09/17 11:54 PM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: Virtus_Probi]
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Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted By: SubLGT
Quote:
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An all-new second-generation 2.7-liter EcoBoost engine features advanced dual port and direct injection technology

...


https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia...150-pickup.html



This should help minimize carbon buildup on the intake valves...no walnut shell blasting necessary!


2nd Gen! That motor has only been out a couple years!
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#4298345 - 01/10/17 06:30 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: Balrog006]
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Originally Posted By: Balrog006
Originally Posted By: DrRoughneck
Auto-stop better be smart on the turbodiesel: turning off engine while turbine is hot is recipe for cooking it.


The Ecoboosts are all turbos too, at least they'll be cooking turbos and oil across the board!


Modern turbos(last 10-15 years) use convection to keep coolant flowing. It's not 1980's anymore.....

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#4298352 - 01/10/17 06:38 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: Balrog006]
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Originally Posted By: Balrog006
The Diesel has been rumored since early last year. The 3.0 option is from their Euro lines, Land Rovers Lion engine.

Nice torque and hp numbers, but I wonder what the real world mileage will be like and what the engine upcharge will be?


IIRC when we were considering the Jeep GC diesel, the upcharge was about $4,500. I'm glad I read up and asked around about the engine and stayed clear.

I can't imagine a diesel with stop start.
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#4298386 - 01/10/17 07:36 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: edyvw]
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Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: 09_GXP
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: carviewsonic
Auto stop/start standard across the line.... Yuck! Had a rental car with that "feature" for a week last summer, there was no way to disable it. Really disliked and didn't get used to auto stop/start, and I won't buy a car that has it. I'm too old school I guess...
Yep it sucks.


It's one of my favorite features on my truck.

When BMW introduced A/S system, it could be turned off, but it would activate itself next time. There were so much complaints for not being able to disable for good, that BMW updated software to allow that.
Strange that FORD did not learn this lesson from BMW, since it happened in 2011.


If I understand correctly, the mpg savings from a given feature may only be used IF that system is enabled by default. If Ford were to make it something the driver could just turn off and stay off, they can't count the mpg gains in the book. I'm sure there are smaller details I'm missing, but I *think* that's the gist of it.

-m
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#4298408 - 01/10/17 08:06 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: gonefishing]
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So perhaps with the dual injection points Top Tier and Techron can do some work on the intake ?
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#4298537 - 01/10/17 10:45 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: meep]
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If I understand correctly, the mpg savings from a given feature may only be used IF that system is enabled by default. If Ford were to make it something the driver could just turn off and stay off, they can't count the mpg gains in the book. I'm sure there are smaller details I'm missing, but I *think* that's the gist of it.

-m

In all BMW cars you can turn off A/S system and it will stay off. And I bet BMW claims those savings with EPA. They talk about savings in all their promotional brochures making emphasis on A/S system. It is drivers decision, same like it is whether he/she will floor it on stop light. EPA numbers are anyway theoretical. My BMW gets 19/26 by EPA. In practice I get 21-22 in city and almost 30 on HWY. So go figure.
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#4298553 - 01/10/17 10:57 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: DoubleWasp]
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Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
3.0 diesel sounds interesting. But like was already said, I'll wait to hear the reports from the guinea pigs.



Hopefully it doesn't have the same ceramic turbo bearings like the 6.7L PS.
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#4298563 - 01/10/17 11:04 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: 4WD]
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So perhaps with the dual injection points Top Tier and Techron can do some work on the intake ?

Well, I believe that best thing for that are good gas (Chevron will do), long drives and heavy foot.
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#4298566 - 01/10/17 11:06 AM Re: New 2018 F150 Powertrains [Re: jeepman3071]
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Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
3.0 diesel sounds interesting. But like was already said, I'll wait to hear the reports from the guinea pigs.



Hopefully it doesn't have the same ceramic turbo bearings like the 6.7L PS.

That 3.0 V6 is coming from Europe, and it did not gain some tracking there. Probably because FORD is not synonym for luxury vehicle and V6 in Europe are found in luxury vehicles. On other hand, their diesel four bangers IMO were always above average on EU market.
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