this chinese resturant ive been going to for many years just recently tacking on a tip to the final bill. my grandmother went there today with about 6 people and the bill was almost $100 with $12 tacked on for the tip. ive been to other places that do the same and i havnt been back but this place is my favorate and has been foe maybee a good decade. i really dont think this practice is right and was just wondering what you guys think of it.
your thoughts on mandatory tipping in resturants
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You do realize that waiters make under $3/hour and truely depend on tips to make a living, right?
Now I know you didn't say that you don't tip but I think a 12% tip is quite cheap and I think the waiters are being cheated because once you are forced to pay something you are unlikely to add on to it.
So bottom line I don't have problem with the practice as long as it is disclosed on a sign near the waiting area.
BTW - $100 for 6 people at a Chinese joint is awfully pricy, maybe you should be more concerned about the prices on the menu.
Now I know you didn't say that you don't tip but I think a 12% tip is quite cheap and I think the waiters are being cheated because once you are forced to pay something you are unlikely to add on to it.
So bottom line I don't have problem with the practice as long as it is disclosed on a sign near the waiting area.
BTW - $100 for 6 people at a Chinese joint is awfully pricy, maybe you should be more concerned about the prices on the menu.
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I usually tip 15-20% on average. That is where they make their money. Large parties the gratuity is usually built in. It's normal.
If the service bad, or waiter/waitress has an attitude, I will tip a much smaller amount or none at all. Rarely does that happen.
If the service bad, or waiter/waitress has an attitude, I will tip a much smaller amount or none at all. Rarely does that happen.
Originally Posted By: Barkleymut
BTW - $100 for 6 people at a Chinese joint is awfully pricy, maybe you should be more concerned about the prices on the menu.
nope, my grandmother is always worried that there will not be enough food to go around so she probably ordered a good 8 dishes with white rice.
BTW - $100 for 6 people at a Chinese joint is awfully pricy, maybe you should be more concerned about the prices on the menu.
nope, my grandmother is always worried that there will not be enough food to go around so she probably ordered a good 8 dishes with white rice.
IMHO guaranteed tipping breeds an entitlement mentality and poor service...just take a vacation to a few tourist "hot spots" in the EU (one has a nice tower) and you will know what I'm talking about. FWIW I always tip well (18-25%) when the service is adequate. Living off tips is tough!
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Originally Posted By: Barkleymut
BTW - $100 for 6 people at a Chinese joint is awfully pricy, maybe you should be more concerned about the prices on the menu.
nope, my grandmother is always worried that there will not be enough food to go around so she probably ordered a good 8 dishes with white rice.
then she should go to a chinese buffet. I've never been to a 'regular' chinese retaurant.
Originally Posted By: Barkleymut
BTW - $100 for 6 people at a Chinese joint is awfully pricy, maybe you should be more concerned about the prices on the menu.
nope, my grandmother is always worried that there will not be enough food to go around so she probably ordered a good 8 dishes with white rice.
then she should go to a chinese buffet. I've never been to a 'regular' chinese retaurant.
I usually tip near 20% but I think including the tip in the price is a good idea. I was a horrible patron when I first came to the US. Where I come from, you tip only when the service is exceptional. Otherwise you pay the bill.
I feel ashamed now that I remember that for a month or so I had no clue about the tipping culture here so stiffed a few waiters.
Funny story. In China we went to a hot-pot restaurant and a great meal cost about $ for a party of 7. As Americans, we left a generous tip as were were extremely surprised at the price, had enjoyed the food immensely and were a little drunk, too. To our surprise, the waiters brought the tip back to us outside the restaurant and despite our pleas to take the money, they refused to do so.
I feel ashamed now that I remember that for a month or so I had no clue about the tipping culture here so stiffed a few waiters.
Funny story. In China we went to a hot-pot restaurant and a great meal cost about $ for a party of 7. As Americans, we left a generous tip as were were extremely surprised at the price, had enjoyed the food immensely and were a little drunk, too. To our surprise, the waiters brought the tip back to us outside the restaurant and despite our pleas to take the money, they refused to do so.
One should try not to put a tip on a credit card; the restaurant will skim some off in the name of credit card fees; A tip is between the waitstaff and the customer; there is no need for a middleman.
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Originally Posted By: bigbrother8
Originally Posted By: Barkleymut
BTW - $100 for 6 people at a Chinese joint is awfully pricy, maybe you should be more concerned about the prices on the menu.
nope, my grandmother is always worried that there will not be enough food to go around so she probably ordered a good 8 dishes with white rice.
then she should go to a chinese buffet. I've never been to a 'regular' chinese retaurant.
thats where well be going from now on - i tell you what.....
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Originally Posted By: Barkleymut
BTW - $100 for 6 people at a Chinese joint is awfully pricy, maybe you should be more concerned about the prices on the menu.
nope, my grandmother is always worried that there will not be enough food to go around so she probably ordered a good 8 dishes with white rice.
then she should go to a chinese buffet. I've never been to a 'regular' chinese retaurant.
thats where well be going from now on - i tell you what.....
I have been a dishwasher, a busboy, a waiter, a cook and a manager, I have never liked tipping except when on the receiving end. I especially dislike mandatory tipping. If I was to open and run a resturant today I would increase the menu prices and pay all employees equally and ban tipping. As a bus boy I was cheated out of tips by cheap waiteresses, as a waiter I was stiffed because the food was bad, as a dishwasher I saw no part of the nights tips, yet was there long after the wait staff had gone home. As a cook I saw no tips and I was there long before the wait staff showed up. My feeling is, it reqiures all to run a resturant and all should be paid equally based the same pay scale. Give the employees the right to petition management to terminate employees that don't pull their share.
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If it's going to be mandatory, post it where it is clearly viewable. I've tipped on top of the mandatory tip without knowledge until I got home and looked at the receipt.
I too believe that implies good service when it may not.
Why not just increase your prices and pay the staff more? Is there a difference? Taxes?
I too believe that implies good service when it may not.
Why not just increase your prices and pay the staff more? Is there a difference? Taxes?
I usually tip 15 to 25% depending on where I go (cost of the meal) and how good the service was (note that there is a difference between a good server and [censored] food coming out of the kitchen.
If any of my favorite restaurants started doing mandatory tipping, I'd probably leave enough to bring it to 15% and that would be it. I've been to places that assess a mandatory tip for parties over a specific size (usually 10).
As for a C note for 6 people. My favorite Chinese place (and quite possibly the best Chinese in Columbus, Ohio) cost $60+ for 4 people on Father's day. Entree's are usually $12-$16 a pop. But the food is worth it.
If any of my favorite restaurants started doing mandatory tipping, I'd probably leave enough to bring it to 15% and that would be it. I've been to places that assess a mandatory tip for parties over a specific size (usually 10).
As for a C note for 6 people. My favorite Chinese place (and quite possibly the best Chinese in Columbus, Ohio) cost $60+ for 4 people on Father's day. Entree's are usually $12-$16 a pop. But the food is worth it.
I usually tip 15-25% depending on service. If service sucked, I tip 10%, if service was terrible I tip 0%-5%. If the tip is mandatory and put on the bill before I get it, then that is all you get.
I tip: 10-15% if the service is bad.
30% if I am happy with the service.
The reason why that Chinese restaurant automatically tacked on a 12% tip is because some people will not tip (no matter how good the service is). So its only fair to the waiter/waitress to get something.
30% if I am happy with the service.
The reason why that Chinese restaurant automatically tacked on a 12% tip is because some people will not tip (no matter how good the service is). So its only fair to the waiter/waitress to get something.
12 bucks on 100 dollars is not a big tip. Places add 20% in NY where there are more than 4 people at a table.
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Why not just increase your prices and pay the staff more? Is there a difference? Taxes?
In Canada, waiters are income taxed on 115% of earnings, on the assumption they collected full tips from everyone, and did not have to share their tips with the other staff.
Why not just increase your prices and pay the staff more? Is there a difference? Taxes?
In Canada, waiters are income taxed on 115% of earnings, on the assumption they collected full tips from everyone, and did not have to share their tips with the other staff.
I tip if the food/service is good then I'll tip 10% the std here. Mandatory tipping does not exist here I believe.
In US if waitstaff is paid below the regular minimum wage they have to fill out a tipsheet for their employer so they can withhold an adequate amount of income tax. (And in my state if an employee makes less than minimum even with tips the employer makes up the difference, I'd like to see that work more than one time card.) Am sure many underestimate.
I tip through my credit card, hey if I have to pay taxes they can too.
I tip through my credit card, hey if I have to pay taxes they can too.
like eljefino said, some places institue mandatory tiping to protect their waiters/waitresses. Many of them make < $3/hr and really do live off of tips.
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I tip through my credit card, hey if I have to pay taxes they can too
ehh.. in the more mainstream resturants they make their waiters record their cash tips as well.
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I tip through my credit card, hey if I have to pay taxes they can too
ehh.. in the more mainstream resturants they make their waiters record their cash tips as well.
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It completely amazes me how frequently restaurants fail to deduct the tip when it is paid with a credit card. My wife and I eat out once or twice a week and usually pay and tip with a card. When I get my card statement every month there is usually at least one restaurant that didn't add the tip onto the charge.
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