You Guys Have Sold Me-Looking For a Crown Vic

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For a second car. Looks like the most car for the money, combination comfort, and reliability.

My criteria is trying to stay between 100-200k miles, $3000-$5000 max ( I won't want to be spending any money on the $5k car).

What to look out for? I notice a lot of the cars say the a/c won't switch off defrost mode. I'm not physically able to remove the dash. What kind of money are we talking about here?
 
Dunno bout Crown Vics in particular but had a similar defrost issue on my Ranger after a collision. Leaky vac lines. The climate control defaults to the defrost position if there isnt enough vacuum available to pull the blend doors elsewhere.

And if I could manage a second car, or decided to get rid of my truck that car would likely be a Crown Vic too.

Great cars, good power, not bad MPG for their size and age and rock solid reliable. Kinda like my Ranger, well, except for its horrible MPG
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Just look for the basic things you would when buying any used car. I would try and stay away from any former service vehicles though. Those can be abused. For around 5k I would think you could find plenty of used Crown Vics or Mercury Grand Marquis (same car). Many have only been driven rather mildly by retired folks. Make sure of a good record of maintenance and run a carfax if possible. I have a former rental loaner Grand Marquis. Changed all fluids after buying. Been great after two years. Get's 25-27 mpg on trips. I would think that at your price range you would not need to buy a Vic with much over 100k miles....maybe even less. I do believe the earlier Vics had an issue with a plastic intake manifold or something. Most were fixed under some program....that might be something to be sure was done. Later models (2003 on?) have a different manifold so that would not be an issue.
Good hunting.
 
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Sounds like a real smart move!!.I get 25 MPG on trips and around 17-18 in stop and go driving..The a/c stays on all the time in the automatic position..I used to get better mileage before the ethanol garbage came into play.

Most people who have issues with the a/c are the ones who keep playing around with it all the time by shutting it off and turning it on and playing with the temperature constantly everytime they get into the car..The people I know that do this do have issues with their a/c after awhile..The people I know who just leave it on all the time generally have zero issues with the a/c..Just set it and forget it.

As far as getting a car from older folks check for sludge as alot do only short trips and may not be servicing the car often enough..My retired neighbor [who does very short trips] just told me she has not changed her oil in her Impala in 2.5 years..I am sure there are many more like her..The bulk of the people I know who own Crown Vics do service them on time.

I definitely would not have a issue buying a Crown Vic [or any other Panther] over 100K miles as long as the car was serviced regularly.
 
That's a very good budget. Try and look for at least a 2001 vehicle, as this is the first year for the Performance Improved cylinder heads (an additional 20 horsepower), and if you can score a 2003 or newer, then all the better.

Personally I favor the early 2003 models produced in 2002, known as Job 1 vehicles. Starting with the second production batch in 2003, Ford did a lot of decontenting on these cars and they lost some elegant features that were standard on earlier models - black b-pillars, automatic parking brake release, underhood lighting, remote fuel door release and front seat pouches to name a few. So the Job 1 cars combine the quality of the old cars with the newer features of the current platform - hydrofoamed steel frame, rack and pinion steering, redesigned suspension, knock sensor giving you an additional 4 horsepower, etc. I just feel the new cars are more fleet orientated, which is part of the reason why I don't like them as much as the earlier models. Worth mentioning, however, they are superior mechanically compared to the older versions.

Also worth mentioning, a small percentage of the cars are equipped with a factory option known as the Handling and Performance Package (HPP). The package consists of a dual exhaust system, 3.27 gear ratio, better springs, slightly harder riding shock absorbers and an up-sized stabilizer bars. A different set of wheels are also part of the package. Pre-2003 HPP cars are very easy to identify, as they all have the lacy-spoke wheels:

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The 2003 and newer cars do not sport different wheels on the HPP models, although the Grand Marquis used Crown Victoria LX wheels with darker inserts. These wheels are also found on Grand Marquis LSE models, which come standard with HPP and a floor shifter:

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The Crown Victoria version of the LSE is the LX Sport, which also comes with a monochrome paint scheme and 17" wheels. Good luck!
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Well, I tried.

Looked all the classifieds, Craigslist, Ebay (within 500 miles), all the local car lots. All I could find were late models, and cop cars.

Bought a '99 Ranger 2.3 with 5 speed. 118k. Really good shape for year. I know, I know, not in same category as the Crown. But what is?

And I tried the Merc's too.
 
Originally Posted By: MrCritical
Well, I tried.

Looked all the classifieds, Craigslist, Ebay (within 500 miles), all the local car lots. All I could find were late models, and cop cars.

Bought a '99 Ranger 2.3 with 5 speed. 118k. Really good shape for year. I know, I know, not in same category as the Crown. But what is?

And I tried the Merc's too.


I'd say thats a good option. Will probably be better on fuel, although maybe not much.
I don't know anymore how some people can daily drive V8 cars. Gas in Canada is a lot higher than in the states, but still.
 
The Crown Vics aren't bad for fuel consumption. Certainly better than our V6-powered SUV is. V8 engines in cars aren't nearly the hogs they are in large SUVs. The '97 Cadillac I owned with the Northstar V8 would give me about 20mpg in the city and 30mpg on the highway. That doesn't really compare to a 4-cylinder sedan, but it wasn't the 15mpg pig that most people assumed it would have been either.

I think the EPA estimates are a good start to estimate your fuel use, and adjust as appropriate. If you normally get 20% above the EPA city estimate for your , you can probably figure that you'd see a commensurate overage on ANY vehicle you drove. A 2009 Crown Vic is rated 16/24. Most on here report upper teens and mid-to-high 20s on the road, which isn't at all unreasonable with a light foot. They're no 4-cylinder sedan for fuel economy, but you don't get Crown Vic stretch-out room in a 4-cylinder sedan either.

According to fueleconomy.gov, there was no 2.3L in a '99 Ranger. If it's the 4-cylinder, it'd be a 2.5L. And the EPA estimate for it is 19/24. Better in town than the Crown Vic, but similar on the road. I'd lay money on a Crown Vic getting slightly better economy out on the open road than a Ranger, even though both are rated the same.
 
According to what year you are checking out, be sure the check the intake. The composite intake that ford used on the 4.6s were prone to warp over time causing major vacuum leaks. Good news is that Dorman make a fantastic fixer for the problem.

Also, do not buy a crown vic or grand marquis with air ride. pain in the but and it will fail, if it hasnt already. if you find a great deal on a vehicle, there are kits to disable and replace the air ride, which i suggest highly.

Otherwise, Great vehicle.
 
My folks' '92 Crown Vic had a failed air ride. It had rear air bag springs with conventional shocks. They had to have the springs replaced with conventional coils.
 
Originally Posted By: MrCritical
Well, I tried.

Looked all the classifieds, Craigslist, Ebay (within 500 miles), all the local car lots. All I could find were late models, and cop cars.

Bought a '99 Ranger 2.3 with 5 speed. 118k. Really good shape for year. I know, I know, not in same category as the Crown. But what is?

And I tried the Merc's too.

A nice KISS vehicle, if you keep your speeds down to 55-60 I bet you can get 30mpg all highway tanks too.
 
If you came down here to the Miami-Fort Lauderdale and I could have found you a nice CVLX or G.M.Q. or even a Town Car in a short period of time.

Like Jason said the 4.6 is really frugal on regular fuel..I get at least 25 MPG on the highway and around 18.5 locally..I sit in alot of gridlock..I went to Tampa from Miami last week and got 26.5 MPG on a tank of regular fuel..That is with the a/c on constantly as I never shut it off...I still have the original plugs in it at 109K miles.

Good luck on the Ranger..The are very good trucks.
 
Originally Posted By: SLCraig

I don't know anymore how some people can daily drive V8 cars. Gas in Canada is a lot higher than in the states, but still.


Why not? It isn't so much about the engine as it is the vehicle overall.

If you look at the 4 vehicles in my signature - which one do you think gets the best city MPG?
The Ford van has a 4.0 V6, the Chevy SUV had a 4.2 I6, and the Camry has a 2.4 4 cylinder.

I'll give you a hint, it isn't either one of the 6 cylinders, and the 4.6 V8 in the Mercury often ties the Camry for around town driving.
The Camry will do better on long trips/highway driving (or should I say constant speed trips).

As an example - last year about this time I had the honor of taking a buddy to the airport and picking him up a week later.
The first trip I took the SUV (with the 4.2 I6 engine) and with 3 of us in the vehicle I got just over 17 MPG.

Fast forward a week later, same airport, same route, same people in the car, same weather conditions, same time of day, I picked him up at the airport but drove the Mercury. 26 MPG.
I filled both vehicles immediately before leaving and after the trip at the same gas station. Total mileage for both trips was within 1.2 miles of each other.
 
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Originally Posted By: SLCraig

I don't know anymore how some people can daily drive V8 cars. Gas in Canada is a lot higher than in the states, but still.


Why not? It isn't so much about the engine as it is the vehicle overall.

If you look at the 4 vehicles in my signature - which one do you think gets the best city MPG?
The Ford van has a 4.0 V6, the Chevy SUV had a 4.2 I6, and the Camry has a 2.4 4 cylinder.

I'll give you a hint, it isn't either one of the 6 cylinders, and the 4.6 V8 in the Mercury often ties the Camry for around town driving.
The Camry will do better on long trips/highway driving (or should I say constant speed trips).

As an example - last year about this time I had the honor of taking a buddy to the airport and picking him up a week later.
The first trip I took the SUV (with the 4.2 I6 engine) and with 3 of us in the vehicle I got just over 17 MPG.

Fast forward a week later, same airport, same route, same people in the car, same weather conditions, same time of day, I picked him up at the airport but drove the Mercury. 26 MPG.
I filled both vehicles immediately before leaving and after the trip at the same gas station. Total mileage for both trips was within 1.2 miles of each other.


Admittedly it has a lot to do with our gas prices.. I put over $60 worth of regular gas in my Civic and I still wish I could drive something even better on gas. I am so glad I got rid of my Maxima. It got good gas mileage for its size/power but right now it would cost $100 or more to fill from empty. Just not worth it.
 
I bought a 78 LTD 12 years ago and the family still uses it. Has around 28k on it now and gets 14-16 MPG city. Has great highway range of over 400 miles easily. Probably the best $500 I ever spent.
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