They're all crazy.....our job is to search out the ones with the least amount of snakes in the head.hey, you are the one who married such crazy. LOL
They're all crazy.....our job is to search out the ones with the least amount of snakes in the head.hey, you are the one who married such crazy. LOL
Like everything in engineering, there are balances, there are trades, and there are objective facts.Sorry, I'm not buying this damage from idling talk. I've idled my cars in cold weather for over 30 years, I've never had any increased wear or oil consumption and these engines range from 100-300K miles. Never a puff of blue smoke when first started.
I would like to see an engine teardown from one that idled continuously for 3 years. As well as one that has only been started in freezing temps then allowed to cool down, repeat for hundreds of cycles and never driven.
Imagine all the semi's that idle for hours that have a 1 million mile+ TBO.
I understand that the oil temp will rise more slowly and not burn off moisture as quickly, I see that as the only issue but IMHO, idling for 10 min over 2 min when cold should not be an issue. Honestly, I think it does a motor good allowing pistons to expand, fluids to warm for easier flow, etc.
When I see reports like this, I question their intent. It only takes one time like this to get something embedded into people's minds, and then they won't go back.
I'm also looking at this from a larger, more "upper management" view if you will with regards to global concerns and fuel usage.
I'm guessing after a long day at work, when it's time to go, he's ready to haul a** out of there!I have never had to rev a cold or even a hot engine to 6,000 RPM to get out of a parking lot. What's wrong with your parking lot?
I stayed where you are located one weekend. There is a "warmer" climate-and then there is you location. The summer is miserable.This whole thread makes me glad I moved to a warmer climate.
It was minus 7 today.. idled my toyota v8 90 seconds to get some oil flowing then drove slow for a few mintes until I got up to 40 mph on local roads. I had zero heat for about 7 or 8 minutes.. so in minus 7 its not 120 seconds to heat. If its 30 or 40 out you might be correct.Yep, but try telling that to the wife.
"You will have to drive in a cold car for 120 seconds before the heater starts blowing and the seats warm up, so we can get an extra 500 miles out of this car"
Let me know how that works out
'Extra wear' - I have no doubt.
Enough extra wear to make a measurable difference over the life of the car? Not so sure. Maybe if it was a chronic warmer upper that let the car run 30 min at idle every single day.
Not at the temps we had in wisconsin today. 2 minutes driving my v8 sequoia and I had zero heat. Poor heat started in about 7 minutes. Took 20 min of driving to get normal temp guage readings. It came off the bottom of the guage a bit after a few minutes.. but heat was not much.. like warming a warehouse with a blow dryer..It is, but I would not be surprised that a vehicle which is driven will generate the same about of cabin heat in the same runtime as one which is idled and then driven. Even today with so many cars having electric heaters/seats to help take off the chill it seems rather silly to let a vehicle idle just to warm the interior.
BMW 2010 335d with supplemental heat would start blowing warm in about 30 seconds.
My 435i on the other hand, with its broken climate control takes about 2 miles before it generates heat at the footwell.
My neighbor was a garage door tech and he warned against using those 'heavier' panels, so I went with the foil ones. That could be why your garage is warmer than mine. Mine isn't fully insulated either, only the walls that directly share an interior wall are. The entire south wall, for instance, is just siding and exterior sheets (maybe there's insulated panels in between - no idea). I was told that you gain little by insulating in order to retain heat or cold if you're not actively heating or cooling the space.A couple of years ago I installed those Styrofoam insulating panels on the roll-up aluminum door from a kit I bought at Lowes. In the winter months the garage now stays between about 50-58 degrees
I've done 38 Winters in the Midwest. And 32 Summers out here. I wouldn't do another Midwest Winter on a bet. However I do enjoy these threads and the news stories.I stayed where you are located one weekend. There is a "warmer" climate-and then there is you location. The summer is miserable.
When it’s cold one can warm up, put blankets on, etc. When it is Phoenix or Vegas hot, one can sit, cry and die.I've done 38 Winters in the Midwest. And 32 Summers out here. I wouldn't do another Midwest Winter on a bet. However I do enjoy these threads and the news stories.
You have heat there in the Winter. We have A/C here in the Summer. Talk to the people in Michigan who are without power and heat now. Ask them which they would prefer.When it’s cold one can warm up, put blankets on, etc. When it is Phoenix or Vegas hot, one can sit, cry and die.
I don’t need to talk to people in MI. I spend some time in trench on -25, so have pretty good idea about heat and cold.You have heat there in the Winter. We have A/C here in the Summer. Talk to the people in Michigan who are without power and heat now. Ask them which they would prefer.
Vegas is filled with tourists every Summer. The only sweating they do is when they flush their kids college money down the drain at the crap tables.
The article seems backwards. If you have fuel condensing and washing away the oil, you'll further the problem by giving it more fuel, more cold air, and more piston strokes by not letting it idle for a while. However that period is less than a minute.
Conventional wisdom has held that starting your engine is when the most wear is put on it. Automakers have plenty of experience over the past few decades and if they felt it was better for the engine to idle faster for a few minutes, they could easily do that.
Al, When you are idling, you are getting 0 mpg and loading the exhaust system with acidic water.Total BS
I used to do the same up north during the winter. Run out, start her up a good ten minutes before departure making sure the defroster was set on high. Cleared up the windshield and got the cabin warm.Whether it damages the vehicle or not, I warm all my vehicles up before driving. I don't have heated seats or that stuff so I want some heat in the cab before I drive off. 10 or even 15 minutes.
I'll say this, up here your vehicle will long rot away before you will have an engine wear out. Also, you need some heat on the glass before you take off as you will frost it up from the inside.