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Al

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The trend of "Play for Pay" in big time college sports is leading to buying championships. And I realize in some ways it occurred decades ago. But today its out in the open and really is detrimental. Just saws this:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ot...S&cvid=c6ed6bd638ea4ad5b8551d2709f1ff00&ei=40

Although this does not seem related. The desire for a NCAA champion in a particular sport drives huge dollars to that team to the detriment of other teams. And loss of competition and/or lose of the team period as in above. Yes there are other things more important and I suppose no big deal. But to me its still sad.
 
High school is the new college. NCAA makes way too much money. I don't blame the players for wanting a piece.

I once thought that colleges and universities offered education…
They still do - but its separate. The "athletes" get different and special cafeteria, different dorm, different classes. Its really just a different sort of pro sport, which is why the players now want to get paid.

The kids there for education are in a totally different system more or less.
 
High school is the new college. NCAA makes way too much money. I don't blame the players for wanting a piece.


They still do - but its separate. The "athletes" get different and special cafeteria, different dorm, different classes. Its really just a different sort of pro sport, which is why the players now want to get paid.

The kids there for education are in a totally different system more or less.
Have you ever heard of a college athlete being unable to play due to poor grades . Lol
 
A long time ago some men went to college to earn a BA, MA, or Phd.
Some men went to college to play amateur games and maybe go on to professional sports. 🏈🏀
Some women went to college to play sports or earn a BA, MA, Phd or the most coveted of all, the Mrs.
 
I once thought that colleges and universities offered education…
Agreed. Some sports do bring revenue, and revenue and nostalgia brings donors.

But it makes no sense to me. University presidents making millions per year, coaches making the same, professors making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year.

Then more compensation for sports?!? And brick everywhere. Meanwhile endless tuition increases fueled by debt.

Doesn’t add up to me…
 
Agreed. Some sports do bring revenue, and revenue and nostalgia brings donors.

But it makes no sense to me. University presidents making millions per year, coaches making the same, professors making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year.

Then more compensation for sports?!? And brick everywhere. Meanwhile endless tuition increases fueled by debt.

Doesn’t add up to me…
That's new MATH . If it doesn't make sense that is the new mainstream .
 
I have no problem with players getting compensated for Name, Image, and Likeness. However they have taken this way too far. When I was in high school there was a huge disparity in donations to the football team from the alumni. To fix this, the principal said there could be no targeted donations and he would decide where everything went. This lead to a big drop in donations because football. Then whenever us band dorks needed something we would get people to donate the instrument or whatever we needed. My friends dad bought a xylophone for us since one of the songs we were doing called for one. He had it delivered with a note to the principal saying "Here's a xylophone for the football team."
 
The trend of "Play for Pay" in big time college sports is leading to buying championships. And I realize in some ways it occurred decades ago. But today its out in the open and really is detrimental. Just saws this:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ot...S&cvid=c6ed6bd638ea4ad5b8551d2709f1ff00&ei=40

Although this does not seem related. The desire for a NCAA champion in a particular sport drives huge dollars to that team to the detriment of other teams. And loss of competition and/or lose of the team period as in above. Yes there are other things more important and I suppose no big deal. But to me its still sad.

Maybe I missed it, but I don’t see where they said they’re rerouting resources to another program. Universities are currently all running scared about their funding situations, loss of revenue from so many angles. This is the case in the UT system, I’m very aware.

I have to chuckle a bit at this article, primarily because it really is there due to the loss of a women’s team. Title IX decimated so many men’s teams in so many sports in the not too distant past. Wrestling, crew, tennis, xc, etc. Meanwhile women who got full rides to do the same sports, newly created as varsity sports that included scholarships, wore “title IX” hats to emphasize the “injustice” that was actually so resolved, they were now going to school for free on. Meanwhile the men took it out of pocket and from wealthy donors, and folks who donated their time. It BTDT, paid the dues to compete on a club team while the women’s varsity team balanced the football budget.

So forgive me for lacking empathy and failing to see an issue with this situation, except for the fact that I have daughters, and would hate to see them cut off from the sports they love. So I can certainly feel for the women and their families.

But in general? I love sports. I hate the bloat that the university sports, NCAA, etc has become, and the emphasis and handouts that sports get over academics at a place of learning, as I noted in my earlier post. All the special considerations given to athletes at the expense of tuition payers and non-sports donors?!? No thanks. Balancing a men’s sport budget with a women’s sport budget that doesn’t generate revenue? No thanks. But don’t take that as being one sided. I don’t think that any sport in a university should get the level of scholarships, coach paychecks, special considerations on living, food, classes, etc. None of it.

I’d much prefer if sports were done in a club setup, and then based upon performance and merit? Very few and very small scholarships were given. So, for as much as it may first sound like my personal experiences cause a vendetta for Women’s sports, that’s not the case. My beef is with the approach taken for all college sports, including the ones that actually produce real revenue. Excellence should be in academics. Funding of all kinds should be for academics. Sports scholarships should be few and far between. The existence of sports should be based upon their net economic impact, and if they don’t have one, I’d be all for the Universities hiring coaches for men’s and women’s sports that have a sustained interest and quorum of athletes. But that’s where it ends. Results by some other metric, or true equivalence by sport should be emphasized, and limitations on funds in place to prevent the ever increasing cost of education. It’s education, not sports, that is why Universities exist.
 
Twenty years ago I took my then college age son to U. Kentucky to check out the campus. There was an impressive brand new building near the sports complex. Being curious we went in and inquired at the desk what was the purpose of the facility. The desk clerk told us it was a learning center just for student athletes that needed remidial instruction and special tutoring. Son got accecpted to UK but hoping to play college baseball stayed in state and attended ECU.

My opinion is athletes who can play for major universities but can't qualify academically ought to be accepted as employees and draw a salary not unlike the thousands of administrators and ancillary university apparatchiks

College sports fans know in the main we are watching a massive charade.
 
You now have 26 year old seniors because they are switching schools every year to try to find a championship team. In the normal world, 26 year olds are graduating from medical school.
 
There is a rather new book out titled “Hot Dog Money” by Guy Lawson. Very interesting read and it names names. It was pre all the NIL stuff but that was only a couple of years ago. It is a must read true story written about someone very involved in greasing the football and basketball programs. Based on this book I was surprised that the current basket ball coach at St. John’s was hired.
 
I think college sports should just be about sports and money. They should do away with the "student athlete" facade. When I went to a D1 university 35 years ago, the sports were about the sport and money, not so much education. They stated the athletes had to maintain a certain GPA. When I lived in the dorm that all male student athletes lived in, including football and basketball, I saw what went on. No way could most of them had actually maintained the required GPA. I was serious about getting good grades and couldn't be in the dorm, because it was constant party time for the athletes. I saw one guy in the hall once and he said to me, "I thought you quit, because I never see you". They never saw me because I only slept there or at least tried to sleep. I left the dorm at 6:30AM and didn't return until about 11:00PM, because I couldn't stand the constant party noise.
 
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Maybe I missed it, but I don’t see where they said they’re rerouting resources to another program. Universities are currently all running scared about their funding situations, loss of revenue from so many angles. This is the case in the UT system, I’m very aware.
Texas Football is super funded. The implication is quite clear (IMHO)
 
Texas Football is super funded. The implication is quite clear (IMHO)
Football everywhere is super funded. Even in smaller schools and losing programs.

They balance the football (and in some places basketball) budget with women’s sports, giving women far more than most men’s’ sports, many equivalents having been cancelled or gone club.

Unless Title IX has been cancelled, that has to stay the case. Women’s sports aren’t funded to the level of men’s sports. Which isn’t really fair from an equivalence perspective, but probably is still a logical case from a revenue and business perspective.

Again, universities are running scared about loss of funding. I suspect maybe they have faced this. Or, another women’s sport vies for more resourcing, they make choices.

The article doesn’t tell the whole story. Men’s sports subsidize a lot of other things. Not enough, imo. And as I said, too much emphasis on the sports and not academics…
 
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I guess it doesn't bother me because I know its been a business for longer than most of us have been alive. Its no different than universities taking private money for research and the like, IMHO. Its all about money.

University of SC used to be part of the ACC. They left - I think the 70's - because the ACC wanted to implement some minimum academic standards UofSC did not like - so they went off on their own for many years, and were eventually invited to join the SEC. All about money.

The ACC exists only because many of the big name teams now in the SEC used to belong to the Southern Conference. One year some small school won the championship but were not invited to a Bowl Game. Clemson and I think NC were - because of course easier to fill a stadium with big school names playing rather than a school no one has heard of. So the little schools voted in a new rule that said only the champion could go to a Bowl Game. Of course Clemson and NC said kick rocks and went. The conference then banned Clemson and NC, who then joined with the other big schools in the conference and formed the ACC. I guess the Southern Conference still exists, but its only schools most have never heard of.

The SEC schools make massive amounts of money from licensing, TV and of course games. Most SEC schools do not charge the students any athletic fee, and at least at SC the kids get free tickets. The problem is that Google tells me there are 364 Div 1 schools in the NCAA. So maybe 50?? have the revenue / profit / funding of the SEC and other big schools, so most have this sparkle in their eyes that they can somehow compete - from a financial standpoint, when they probably shouldn't even try.
 
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