i deliver beer for a living and the last 2 days have been heavy OT days, i guess its because cinco de mayo this weekend the mexican beers have been selling strong. with this kind of work i really dont like the ot, if it was a behind the desk job it would be great but ot here just beats me up.
working overtime - yea or nea?
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I'm a salaried engineer, but can get paid "OT" (not time and a half though) for my extra hours worked. Im between lab and desk, and it is OK, its nice to have a few more bucks, but its the time away from home and the fiancee (plus it stinks to eat dinner at 7 or 8 pm vs. 5 or 6) that makes it tough.
Yea for the money, nay for the time. Balance = eeeh.
JMH
Yea for the money, nay for the time. Balance = eeeh.
JMH
I'm salaried, with no OT....AKA: Exempt Employee
Sounds like a lot of you need to own and operate your own business a few years. Then you'd know what whiners you sound like.
Bob
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people make their choices. They may choose to be their own boss, and work the hours that that entails...personal choice, nobody made you do it.
Other people choose to be employees, they sign up to an agreement in conditions, generally at a lower compensation than those who choose to build a business.
Overtime (paid or unpaid) then typically becomes an unscheduled activity, or one that sneaks in as the employer tries to expand the business without expanding the workforce.
I'd not consider any of the above "whiners", unless it was clearly stated in their offers of employment that every Saturday was part of the deal, or every second night etc.
I get a mix of paid and unpaid. If I hang around to get to a comfortable "plateaux" that will make my morning start better, and leave fewer loose ends, then the boss gets it for nothing. If I get a call out, planned out of hours work, or there's an emergency, he pays. The ratio of unpaid to paid is 4:1, and they get around an extra month per year out of me gratis, plus "free" phone help while I'm on leave.
Whining? I don't see it here.
I do both. Home and work. I have not been paid for OT in 30+ years. The worst was when I was a member of management. I know people have hate on about managers, but - as a middle guy, there was no questioning it. I won't go into detail, but it was essential AND the most important part of your evaluation. Heck with getting the job done right - did you have face time at 9 PM on Friday. Sat NOON?
I do both. Home and work. I have not been paid for OT in 30+ years. The worst was when I was a member of management. I know people have hate on about managers, but - as a middle guy, there was no questioning it. I won't go into detail, but it was essential AND the most important part of your evaluation. Heck with getting the job done right - did you have face time at 9 PM on Friday. Sat NOON?
Pablo, the Japanese who come to help us tell us all about "face time", and the Japanese "hard work" culture. The importance was being seen, not doing.
I sussed it out 12 years ago, when I realised my boss was "9 to 5", he started at 9AM, we started at 7AM. He worked until 5...5 minutes after the last of us left. After 4:30, he'd sudenlty start printing, and photocopying, meaning he had to come out of his dungeon, and could scout a little.
We'd wait until he was active in prairey dog mode, then make a point of leaving. We'd wait at the main gate, and see him drive out 5 minutes later...he always complained about his 17 hour days, and eating at 9PM.
Nobody called him on it, but he lost a great deal of respect.
This guy also created a whole lot of processes that required his final sign off before things could be done. However, if any of the 10 sigs before his weren't there, regardless of importance, he'd not authorise anything. He would neither allow a process to start where the previous 10 sigs WERE in place, and he was absent...sent another powerful message.
See a whole long post to bag on a manager. I was not like that. And most managers aren't!!!!
I'm a salaried employee and put about 50 hours a week, and full weekends every two months or so. No overtime or extra vacation days - I lose about a week of vacation every year because I can't take them due to workload.
No complaints, though, as this is my choice.
No complaints, though, as this is my choice.
I was working 50+ hours a week the last month or so (I'm an accountant) to get taxes done, and I'm hourly. I made a some good extra dough, so I'm happy, and usually overtime is a little more relaxed where I work; boss buys us Pizza and we go out for beers afterwards.
Now I have money to pay the premium on gas!
Now I have money to pay the premium on gas!
I'm salaried plus "overtime"
We get our salary, car allowance and extra pay just because we are on-call for a particular week.
If we get called out, we get an hourly rate for after hours calls. It's certainly not 1.5x time, but it's a nice check each quarter that buys some toys and helps feed the 401(k) as well.
We get our salary, car allowance and extra pay just because we are on-call for a particular week.
If we get called out, we get an hourly rate for after hours calls. It's certainly not 1.5x time, but it's a nice check each quarter that buys some toys and helps feed the 401(k) as well.
When you work a real job on your feet, overtime really begins to beat you up. Back when I could get overtime, my rule was it had to be worth my time. I'm not staying for thirty minutes or an hour just so I can pay an increased amount of taxes. You loose whatever you just made. If I can get a few hours or more then I'll do it. And sometimes you got to say no, it isn't always worth the stress and no one likes to spend there whole life at work.
Salary plus overtime here. I hate working overtime and avoid it at all costs.
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I am paid by the hour and as our business expands we are expected to cover the work load.
It isn't unusual to work 4 hours of overtime daily and then draw double time on the weekend. I have shown up for work many times for double time only to be told to go grab the 'out of town' kit and go catch a flight to either New York or Boston. I'll spend most of my day in the air and actually work about three hours.
I have questioned this practice and have been told that the wages paid are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
Excepting times when I'm in Europe I always manage to sleep in my own bed. I've eaten more than my share of dinners on the red-eye flights back to Atlanta but all things considered I have a incredibly fun job.
It isn't unusual to work 4 hours of overtime daily and then draw double time on the weekend. I have shown up for work many times for double time only to be told to go grab the 'out of town' kit and go catch a flight to either New York or Boston. I'll spend most of my day in the air and actually work about three hours.
I have questioned this practice and have been told that the wages paid are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
Excepting times when I'm in Europe I always manage to sleep in my own bed. I've eaten more than my share of dinners on the red-eye flights back to Atlanta but all things considered I have a incredibly fun job.
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