Wix vs Fram Ultra

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: i6pwr

When a consumer sees the >20 micron @ 99%, I'm thinking 99% from 21 microns and up...so 99% @21 microns isn't hardly much difference that 20 microns.


And filtering out particles at 20.1 microns is essentially the same thing as filtering out particles at 20.0 microns.

Originally Posted By: i6pwr

Even with being able to filter 99% from 20 and up still doesn't show how much it will filter from 20 to 25 microns. The filter could filter 99.8 from 25 to 100 microns and that last 5 from 25 to 20 microns takes away that .08%, so there is a fine line there in terms of physics.


You have to understand that if a filter is "99% at 20 microns or greater" then it is even BETTER than 99% at all particles larger than 20 microns. ALL filters work this way.

There is no filter in the world that filters worse at 20 microns than it does at anything above 20 microns.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Originally Posted By: asharris7
I am using a Napa Plat/xp and I don't feel "under-protected" for my engine. I have 3 left and about 4 Puro synthetic waiting to be used. I'll have to try the Fram Ultra after I use those. Honestly I think they will all serve our cars/trucks well.


Even 50% at 20 microns, it will eventually capture the particles in a certain number of passes. I don't think it can touch the 80% @ 5 microns of the FU though.


Yes, but in doing so there will be tons of particles going through the bearings before they all get caught by the inefficient filter.

Link 1

Link 2

Whole thread:
Link 3

 

[901Memphis]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Originally Posted By: asharris7
I am using a Napa Plat/xp and I don't feel "under-protected" for my engine. I have 3 left and about 4 Puro synthetic waiting to be used. I'll have to try the Fram Ultra after I use those. Honestly I think they will all serve our cars/trucks well.


Even 50% at 20 microns, it will eventually capture the particles in a certain number of passes. I don't think it can touch the 80% @ 5 microns of the FU though.


Yes, but in doing so there will be tons of particles going through the bearings before they all get caught by the inefficient filter.

Link 1

Link 2

Whole thread:
Link 3



You don't have to convince me, like i said i have enough TG+XG to last my Buick the rest of its life.

 

[ZeeOSix]

^^^ Not tying to convince anyone - they can use what they want; just trying to show the performance difference on how a 99% @ 20u vs a 50% @ 20u filter will work as they are filtering.

People say "don't worry about it, the inefficient filter will "eventually" catch all the particles". But the example shows that "eventually" might not be a good thing.

 

[asharris7]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ Not tying to convince anyone - they can use what they want; just trying to show the performance difference on how a 99% @ 20u vs a 50% @ 20u filter will work as they are filtering.

People say "don't worry about it, the inefficient filter will "eventually" catch all the particles". But the example shows that "eventually" might not be a good thing.

Well,if it's so terrible then why does Honda spec a 66% filter at 20 microns? Again, I have a few Napa plats left and I'm going to use them. I'll let you know if it explodes.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: asharris7
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ Not tying to convince anyone - they can use what they want; just trying to show the performance difference on how a 99% @ 20u vs a 50% @ 20u filter will work as they are filtering.

People say "don't worry about it, the inefficient filter will "eventually" catch all the particles". But the example shows that "eventually" might not be a good thing.

Well,if it's so terrible then why does Honda spec a 66% filter at 20 microns? Again, I have a few Napa plats left and I'm going to use them. I'll let you know if it explodes.


One more time ...

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ Not tying to convince anyone - they can use what they want ...

 

[asharris7]

I get what you are saying, but should I throw them away if it's so detrimental? Should I exchange them at Napa for the Golds? I mean, what would you do?

 

[dave1251]

I would not give any more care about your purchase. Use what you have and your engine will still preform for many more moons.

 

[Nate1979]

Originally Posted By: asharris7
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ Not tying to convince anyone - they can use what they want; just trying to show the performance difference on how a 99% @ 20u vs a 50% @ 20u filter will work as they are filtering.

People say "don't worry about it, the inefficient filter will "eventually" catch all the particles". But the example shows that "eventually" might not be a good thing.

Well,if it's so terrible then why does Honda spec a 66% filter at 20 microns? Again, I have a few Napa plats left and I'm going to use them. I'll let you know if it explodes.


There could be many reasons but the fact is we actually don't know the reason that Honda spec's a poor performing filter. Some possible reasons:
1) To push a filter change every other OCI they need poor filtering filter to not load up.
2) Cost reduction - spec a cheap poor performing filter reduces their cost and they make more money.
3) They studied it and found that improved filtering didn't extend the life of their cars

Who knows.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: asharris7
I get what you are saying, but should I throw them away if it's so detrimental? Should I exchange them at Napa for the Golds? I mean, what would you do?


Personally, I wouldn't use a filter that is rated at 50% @ 20 microns if I had other choices. Will it blow up your motor ... no. Will it cause a little more engine wear ... maybe, but nobody could prove it one way or the other. Would I use the ones I already have in the garage ... yeah, but I would buy a more efficient filter the next time around, that's just my viewpoint.

 

[901Memphis]

I would exchange the Platinums for Napa Golds.

 

[asharris7]

Thanks for all the advice. I lost my receipt so I don't know if they will let me exchange them. At least I have a Puro synthetic rated at (I think) 99% @ 25 on the van right now because I just changed the oil yesterday. I haven't heard any horror stories on the Puro syns as of yet.

 

[ZeeOSix]

^^^ Purolator synthetic filter has a much better efficiency rating than the WIX XP/NAPA Platinum, and no reported failure issues.

 

[asharris7]

True, the only thing about the Puro's is that I have to use rubbing alcohol to get the blue paint off due to minor over-spraying lol. Zee, You'll be happy to know I bought an FU today at wally world. XG-7317. I'll give it a run next go round. I am also going to try out the new PP 0w-20 instead of my trusty Mobil 1 EP and see how it does.

 

[ZeeOSix]

^^^ Carburetor cleaner on a rag works much better than rubbing alcohol for paint over-spray on the filter can. Yeah, the Ultra XG7317 will be a decent filter to try out. I'm about 3K short of 12K total (2x 6K OCIs) on the one I'm running on the Altima right now. Will cut and post photos after the next oil change.

 

[asharris7]

Sounds good. I wish Puro QC was a little tighter with that over-spray. What oil you using in the Altima?

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: asharris7
Sounds good. I wish Puro QC was a little tighter with that over-spray. What oil you using in the Altima?


Conventional Mobil Super 5000, 5W-30. Was doing 5,000 mile OCIs, but now going with 6,000 OCIs since it is driven mostly highway for long distance where oil gets nice and hot every time it's driven. Engine is spotless inside - only has 60K miles.

 

[asharris7]

.....and soon after I change the oil, someone hits the van as my wife is driving it...left rear corner panel, bent wheel and axle....grrrrrrrrr....