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Doing research for new windows and doors. Conditions call for fiberglass/composite, or aluminum clad wood; no vinyl. Not South Florida, but they will have to stand up to strong wind and sun exposure.

Hard to tell what actually stands up, and which companies back their warranties if needed.

Decisions based on brochures, salesmen, and in-store displays is probably not the best way to make decisions about something that will cost tens of thousands of dollars. Not unlike car shopping.

But there are no test drives, nor selling used; you're stuck with what you got, for better or worse.

So far, have gotten quotes specifying Marvin Ultimate line, to set a cost ceiling, if nothing else. And their patio doors do make positive impressions, relatively speaking, compared to even the TOL from other brands, like Andersen, with their odd protruding ledge on the sill. The hardware and latching mechanisms also offer clues about the level of design effort.

Marvin, Andersen, and Milgard seem to be what most shops are pushing. Visited a Pella showroom, but no knowledgeable salesmen present when I visited. Kolbe also seen in store.

Anyone else to consider? Jeld-Wen, Weather Shield?

Also need a side door for the garage. Fiberglass, half-light, pre-hung. A slab door would be nicer, but anything will be an upgrade to the original, and this is mostly about function, not looks.

Most specialty suppliers offer Therma-Tru and leave it at that. Big box stores have T-T, Masonite, MMI, and more, but the reviews about doors leaving the factory not square, warping, or not properly drilled do prompt pause. Not to mention shipping damage. Pretty sure the guy at the family-owned supplier will be around next year, while the guy who sells you the door at HD or Lowes may not be, and all that implies.

Welcome to any thoughts, or experiences.
 
Just installed this last Friday. Replaced a 32 year old steel/wood core for that rotted at the bottom due to a leaky gutter. Therma-Tru fiberglass. Fit was very tight. Put two coats of semigloss white on it, wife’s pleased and that’s all that matters. I want to
I’ll get an installed pic tomorrow.

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Just installed this last Friday. Replaced a 32 year old steel/wood core for that rotted at the bottom due to a leaky gutter. Therma-Tru fiberglass. Fit was very tight. Put two coats of semigloss white on it, wife’s pleased and that’s all that matters. I want to
I’ll get an installed pic tomorrow.

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Reminds me of a special buy HD had a few weeks ago. Supposedly an $1100 door. They had 2 for $380 so I snagged one. Composite frame. Fiberglass door shell with wood core.
 
We bought this house 10 years ago. The house is about 30 years old and has had some of its windows replaced.

Someone had replaced a large 2nd story window in a bathroom - an expensive window because of the large size and being right beside a tub had to be tempered glass. It started to leak between the panes and we got 2 quotes to replace it - $3600 and $1200 (yes a factor of 3 between the two estimates).

The window guy who had provided the low estimate also pointed out that it was a Milgard window and might still be under warranty. We didn't have bills or anything but contacted Milgard and by looking at the details stamped into the metal insert between the panes found out enough. Milgard recently replaced that window under warranty.

Thermoproof also replaced a number of the smaller leaking windows.

For both companies, I'd call that standing behind your product.

PS We're going to give our window guy $100 for pointing out that the window might be under warranty.
 
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Doing research for new windows and doors. Conditions call for fiberglass/composite, or aluminum clad wood; no vinyl. Not South Florida, but they will have to stand up to strong wind and sun exposure.

Hard to tell what actually stands up, and which companies back their warranties if needed.

Decisions based on brochures, salesmen, and in-store displays is probably not the best way to make decisions about something that will cost tens of thousands of dollars. Not unlike car shopping.

But there are no test drives, nor selling used; you're stuck with what you got, for better or worse.

So far, have gotten quotes specifying Marvin Ultimate line, to set a cost ceiling, if nothing else. And their patio doors do make positive impressions, relatively speaking, compared to even the TOL from other brands, like Andersen, with their odd protruding ledge on the sill. The hardware and latching mechanisms also offer clues about the level of design effort.

Marvin, Andersen, and Milgard seem to be what most shops are pushing. Visited a Pella showroom, but no knowledgeable salesmen present when I visited. Kolbe also seen in store.

Anyone else to consider? Jeld-Wen, Weather Shield?

Also need a side door for the garage. Fiberglass, half-light, pre-hung. A slab door would be nicer, but anything will be an upgrade to the original, and this is mostly about function, not looks.

Most specialty suppliers offer Therma-Tru and leave it at that. Big box stores have T-T, Masonite, MMI, and more, but the reviews about doors leaving the factory not square, warping, or not properly drilled do prompt pause. Not to mention shipping damage. Pretty sure the guy at the family-owned supplier will be around next year, while the guy who sells you the door at HD or Lowes may not be, and all that implies.

Welcome to any thoughts, or experiences.

Pretty Happy with my double hung Milguard Tuscanys 5 years in. Warranty honored when I had 2 problems.

I'm deliriously happy with my Anlin Del Mars 3 years in. Warranty honored when I had 1 problem.

I'll never buy Anderson after watching my grandparents horrifically expensive casement windows never work.

I couldnt find a reason to spend more on Pellas than Anlins.

Marvin seems a great product.

The install will dictate a lot of your happiness.
 
Over the years I've been hearing good things about Jeld-Wen, but haven't looked into them much further.

My current home is ~70 years old and the old wood windows all look and perform close to what they did when installed in the mid 1950's (but only single pane from that era).

My Mom's house had Anderson wood windows. After 30 years the glass portion of these double pane windows started to sink or drop down a bit within their frame, like an 1/8" gap at the top so that outside air could pass right through. I brought it to the attention of the local Anderson dealer and since it was outside of the warranty period they had no interest at all - which I can understand. Nevertheless, I had to do something so I determined that their adhesive had failed. I rigged a set of clamps up with some good glue and gently got the glass back into position within the frames. It took a considerable amount of time because I had to move the glass slowly over a few days so not to crack it. I got it done but since this was only on about 5 of the 20 windows I'm pretty confident it was only a matter of time before others started showing the same symptoms. Mom passed about this time so the house was sold so don't know...

Anyway as a result of all of the above, I don't expect I will be using Anderson windows.
 
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The window guy who had provided the low estimate also pointed out that it was a Milgard window and might still be under warranty. We didn't have bills or anything but contacted Milgard and by looking at the details stamped into the metal insert between the panes found out enough. Milgard recently replaced that window under warranty.

Thermoproof also replaced a number of the smaller leaking windows.

For both companies, I'd call that standing behind your product.

PS We're going to give our window guy $100 for pointing out that the window might be under warranty.
Good to hear all the way around. (y)
 
You said "not South Florida" but didn't relate your particular area. Perhaps the most important consideration here is whether you want (or require) impact-rated hurricane windows. You simply cannot compare standard windows as found in the Midwest to hurricane glass.

Any why not vinyl? Virtually every house here in South Texas uses vinyl windows, subject to high temps and plenty of winds. What's your reason for not wanting them?

A few years ago we had a complete set of Simonton StormBreaker vinyl windows installed. Excellent windows and a great value (averaged about a grand each, installed in 2023). Hurricane rated and a transferable lifetime warranty on the vinyl.

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Very good luck with vinyl windows and fiberglass door for over twenty years now. What vinyl windows? Whatever ones Home Depot is selling. I have replaced all of the windows in two houses, an office and our church parish center building. For block walls, just cut the tabs off the windows on the shelf at Home Depot.
 
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