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Very true!
Will this Strike Kill Ford/Chevy/Chrysler?
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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/24/uaw...s-hours-after-automaker-reports-earnings.html
UAW strikes keeps expanding.
UAW strikes keeps expanding.
Ford, UAW set to announce tentative agreement with 25% raise
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/b...-agreement-with-25-percent-raise/71320883007/
I'm just grateful that the United States Marine Corps isn't a union organization in the same way that I feel about Toyota and Honda and Volkswagen. there's a lot of great people out there that can tell you the horror stories of working for one of those scheme operations. they're going to get a pay raise, and I'm sure two things are going to happen and number one is that the price of an automobile if you're still dumb enough to buy one here in North America from the Detroit group is going to cost you even a lot more. the second part to that is if you plan to sell that vehicle you're not going to get any more for it because the dues and all the costs that were put into that vehicle is all thrown on the shoulders of the fire when it's brand new. lastly, they're probably going to learn to do some more without physical people and get more machines doing some work so they can light some people off. we seen this a long time ago with companies like Kroger, Walmart, Target and others. I don't know how it's all going to end and neither does anybody else but I've heard a lot of good ideas and I've heard some bad ones but everybody has their thought and their opinion and we'll just have to wait to see. my only concern is that they don't eventually bring their horrible work ethic over into the Japanese car market.
And I'm in favor of employees that understand that what they are asking for pales in comparison to the low quality output they deliver. If they hate their job that much, perhaps they can move on?
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By definition, quality is a management issue.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/14/why-many-uaw-members-oppose-gm-ford-stellantis-deals.html
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/for...ntucky-vote-uaw-labor-deal/story?id=104843315
I had a strange feeling the needed votes to finalize this deal would not happen.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/for...ntucky-vote-uaw-labor-deal/story?id=104843315
I had a strange feeling the needed votes to finalize this deal would not happen.
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Ain't killed em yet.
Here's a snippet from Lee Iacocca .. not sure what year probably 70-80s but looks like nothing new.
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@wander2039 , thanks for posting that note. Mr iaccoa comments in the note likely apply well beyond the auto industry. He comment referencing France and Germany is very noteable and relevant today.
4 10's, paid time off, health insurance and COLA's....oh the humanity!
He actually goes into way more over a long chapter which he makes pretty good arguments for his stances. And I'm not going to snap a pic of every page.
I could be wrong, but I thought I had read that they were not asking for 4 -10 hour days, but 4 -8 hour days with the same pay as 40 hours. Big difference there.
I think you are right, but it was more of a bargaining chip. Start high so you can negotiate.
Having said that, I worked with a couple guys that worked at the GM plant in Fremont before it shuttered (later NUMMI and now Tesla). They told me their union contract was so good they generally worked 4 days and got paid for 5. It was not officially a 4 day week, but all the days off made it close. I hear there was a lotta drinking going on in those days...
This is why you always fight your giant corporation employer for more money. Just a couple quarters later, GM is already making record profits in North America. Those “crippling” pay raises were absolutely nothing to them...
https://www.autonews.com/automakers...-full-year-guidance-after-net-income-rises-14
https://www.autonews.com/automakers...-full-year-guidance-after-net-income-rises-14
GM needs a bailout every 30-40 years. Even if they peak with "record profits", they always drop back down like a rock.
My FIL was a UAW worker for his entire career. He has 2 Nissans in his garage. When I asked him why he would own cars not built by a Union, he was confused. He didn’t know Nissan cars were not union built. He assumed they were.
He could afford Nissan and not the other brands built by the UAW.
I manage a plant with blue collar workers. Getting people to own their work, stay off the cell phone, and pay attention to quality is a huge challenge. Would a Union fix that? From what I have seen, no.
He could afford Nissan and not the other brands built by the UAW.
I manage a plant with blue collar workers. Getting people to own their work, stay off the cell phone, and pay attention to quality is a huge challenge. Would a Union fix that? From what I have seen, no.
