As long as citizens keep electing people that want to pick the winners and losers while they amass power, thats what we will have.
Will this Strike Kill Ford/Chevy/Chrysler?
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I don't want any of the companies to stay in business, or get bailed out, or have the UAW placated. But Tesla junk would be everywhere on the streets if anything major happened and that's even worse. No car from the big 2.5 or Tesla is worth buying now plus the union built tin cans producing during the fake Covid scare aren't going to last very long either
30 years ago UAW was good. 40 years ago it was great.
Enter 2015 and Detroit is a ghost town. Greed at the top is greed at the top. And both sides are full of nothing but greed at the top.
When I lived in KC I wanted to work at Ford so darn bad I would have run over someone for a position. That was 30 years ago.
Enter 2015 and Detroit is a ghost town. Greed at the top is greed at the top. And both sides are full of nothing but greed at the top.
When I lived in KC I wanted to work at Ford so darn bad I would have run over someone for a position. That was 30 years ago.
And Ford took its sweet time getting its bomber factory up and running. They say D-day got delayed, by quite a bit, due to lack of machinery.
That was a day when Detroit was the leading manufacturing and engineering center of the world.
If you wanted large quantities of the Merlin V-12 built to higher quality levels, you had RR give all their drawings to Packard and left them to it.
The industry as it is today could do little to support any serious war production need.
They have neither the facilities nor the engineers to do it.
I think you are confusing UAW built vehicles for the Boeing 767 tankers delivered to the Air Force with trash and tools in the fuel tanks.
You seem very sure about that. Have you some inside information?
My point was that big corporations can fail, even in our welfare state society.
my point is it is more often the decisions and behaviors of the executives
not the employees or the shareholders that cause a businesses demise.
If they want the big bucks for success they ought to share in the blame
when their dumb decisions ruin a company.
The problem with everything, is no one wants to stand up say sorry we are not going to do that.
This goes for everything going on.
This goes for everything going on.
This 100%
JTK
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I hate to see any job and career opportunities go away. Even worse, I hate to see hard working individuals who need their jobs to support their families, loose their jobs.
Unfortunately, I've worked in enough union environments to see all the bad things that unions support. From what I've seen and experienced, the bad outweighed the good.
Unfortunately, I've worked in enough union environments to see all the bad things that unions support. From what I've seen and experienced, the bad outweighed the good.
JHZR2
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What are they worth? A price that makes obnoxiously priced vehicles the norm? Vehicles that folks need to take out 60-84 month loans to pay for?
Work weeks different from the traditional norm, for more pay?
Look, I’m for domestic manufacturing. I’m not pro c-suite folks. But Im as much for the workers getting a cut in their demands as I am for the ceo getting a pay cut to pay for whatever demands are met… and passing a net savings back to the customer.
This is already status quo.
4WD
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Was in one as a young machinist - otherwise you were harassed every single day - attended a couple meetings - then just kept paying dues - after 3 years they went on strike - short of money - I quit and went another direction … make far more money bcs I left …
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Blaming the line workers for management decisions is backwards.
I believe the COGS labor content is maybe 15%. Vehicles cost what they cost because customers are willing to pay. Ditto for why they build them fully loaded.
I remember an early 90's Toyota strippie PU would go in sale for $5000. There was the Chevy "Work truck" for a decent price.
Prices will rise as high as the market will bear.
JTK
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But the cost skyrocketed anyways over the past three years.
Where did all of these profits go?
It’s funny how corporate profits have no limits, no morals and no negative perception, because that’s what corporations do, they make money.
But when working men ask for a pay rise it’s all of the sudden “too much”, “too greedy”, or their skill level doesn’t justify the pay.
For those that say they don’t get paid as well as the UAW workers do, why not, instead of vilifying them, join them?
Why should they have limits? Profits are needed to expand and grow the business. It's called capital investment.
Instead of vilifying the salaried executives....why not get educated and join them? Goes both ways.
Aren’t the workers part of the same corporation as the executives though? Shouldn’t the profits benefit all that contributed to the success, not just a small group?
My argument was about people from the outside vilifying UAW workers because they feel their compensation is over inflated.
