Will this Strike Kill Ford/Chevy/Chrysler?

[2strokeNorthstar]

Real men need a union? Wow

Listen, yes unions WERE great. They did great things. Then they became very very corrupt. A real man doesn't not support that garbage. They hold people hostage if they don't want to join.

All industries change. Pretty obvious.

"They" do? I've been a union worker for 20 years. Believe me they are still needed. Greed at the top hasn't gone away at all.

 

[Pablo]

"They" do? I've been a union worker for 20 years. Believe me they are still needed. Greed at the top hasn't gone away at all.

I believe you.

But that does not mean the UAW isn't greedy too.

And striking the company you actually work FOR is still asinine in 2023.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

In an ideal world, one would not need labor unions. The robber barons of the 19th Century (Carnegie, J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller, Ford, etc) created the necessity for unions in the first place. The auto corporations have morphed into monsters who are beholden to bankers on Wall Street who are only out for the buck . . . and the union bosses are right there with them.

Why can Toyota, Nissan, KIA and Hyundai sell a product that has better fit and finish, runs better, and lasts longer than what the Detroit Three put out . . . the devil is in the details of corporate mismanagement, design incompetence, and compounded by union greed. I have maintained for years that those who design automobiles (particularly the engine and drive train) should have to work in the service garages for the same amount of time they spend creating the monsters they put on the road.

Sorry to all the union folks, but the labor unions as they currently are have long outlived their usefulness. The percentage of robotics in the auto industry today compared with the 1960s - really up through the 1990s - is about the only thing keeping the auto industry afloat. Robots don't need unions, retirement, pensions, medical, or lunch breaks.

If unions simply had a one-time membership fee of say $250 for paperwork and all that stuff, and did not collect ongoing dues you could probably convince me that they actually had workers’ best interests in mind. They can obviously collectively bargain without collecting dues; if members then felt like donating money to the union for other actions I’d be fine with that as well.

I find it quite absurd that in 2023 there are states that it is legal to require people to join a private corporation and pay tribute for services they may not need or want, just in order to work in a specific industry.

 

[Zee09]

Death is simply a new beginning.

 

[Elkins45]

In a strip mall a few miles from the Georgetown, KY Toyota plant where they make the Camry there used to be a UAW “information center.” It’s no longer there.

When you have a reputation as the best place in town to work there’s little incentive to unionize.

 

[captainbeandip]

When you have a reputation as the best place in town to work there’s little incentive to unionize.

That used to be Ford's reputation 100 years ago when Henry was running the company.

 

[Elkins45]

That used to be Ford's reputation 100 years ago when Henry was running the company.

100 years is a long time. Things change. Ford was an innovator in a lot of ways. There’s very little (positive) innovation coming out of Detroit these days.

 

[Dave Hess]

That’s the problem. UAW has the monopoly for auto workers. Also the strikes are in non-right to work states, where joining the union is a condition of employment, and there’s not alternate union to join

If Tesla workers unionize on their own, the UAW will be knocking on their door to absorb them

I believe Tesla employees will not want to be associated with the UAW.

Maybe a new union called United EV Workers (UEVW)…. ?

 

[2strokeNorthstar]

I believe you.

But that does not mean the UAW isn't greedy too.

And striking the company you actually work FOR is still asinine in 2023.

UAW isn't perfect, agreed. Who else are you going to strike against? You are trying to change the company you work FOR.

 

[Shel_B]

PS: A few years ago a co-worker told me about his friend who bought a new pickup truck (GM IIRC) which had a rattle that the dealer couldn't find. After several trips to the dealer over this noise they finally found the culprit....a 'SNAPPLE' bottle was left in the door at the factory and covered by the door panel. I guess it could of been worse....it could have been a beer bottle. The UAW worker that left that bottle there had a lot of pride in their product....not.

That might be the third or fourth time I've heard a variation of that story ... people have been finding Coke bottles in Fords for years.

 

[dishdude]

That might be the third or fourth time I've heard a variation of that story ... people have been finding Coke bottles in Fords for years.

They're all BS.

 

[Pablo]

UAW isn't perfect, agreed. Who else are you going to strike against? You are trying to change the company you work FOR.

Point is adults don’t strike for wants.

A walk out if there is physical abuse or something horrendous. Not want to haves.

You sit down and negotiate honestly with actual achievable goals. Not dreamland stuff. Give and take on both sides.

 

[dishdude]

Point is adults don’t strike for wants.

A walk out if there is physical abuse or something horrendous. Not want to haves.

You sit down and negotiate honestly with actual achievable goals. Not dreamland stuff. Give and take on both sides.

Striking is the only power a union has if management is unwilling to negotiate.

 

[Pablo]

Striking is the only power a union has if management is unwilling to negotiate.

The press and the union say that. Management says otherwise.

It’s always stated as unwilling when the dream land wants are not accepted

 

[Exhaustgases]

Its like when the local grocery store union strikes and they say Oh it won't affect the prices. Yeah right, maybe not this month or the next but in a year or so huge increase. The average person can't afford a new car now, so then what are the UAW jobs supposed to be subsidized, and all the product moved from the end of the manufacturing line to the scrap trucks heading to the crusher?
Please explain?
Management is a few, UAW is thousands, sorry the math don't compute.

 

[bbhero]

It’s quite possible The Big 2.5 are going to be dead as a dead nail or totally taken over by the State in the next several years… A number of reasons for that.

 

[Dave Hess]

It’s quite possible The Big 2.5 are going to be dead as a dead nail or totally taken over by the State in the next several years… A number of reasons for that.

Unfortunately this will happen and they will be Gov Motors.

 

[demarpaint]

It’s quite possible The Big 2.5 are going to be dead as a dead nail or totally taken over by the State in the next several years… A number of reasons for that.

I think you're right, and if they are taken over or bailed out they still have the union wildcard to contend with. Unless at that point the union goes away, I doubt it! Maybe not right away, but sooner or later they'll want more, make crazy demands again, and then what? Will this happen again, and again?

These guys looking for a 40% pay hike and a 32 hour work week are looking to sink the ship. Sorry, you make your bed you lay in it. Compromise and get back to work!!

 

[hrv]

That used to be Ford's reputation 100 years ago when Henry was running the company.

and that was 100 years ago not now...

 

[hrv]

100 years is a long time. Things change. Ford was an innovator in a lot of ways. There’s very little (positive) innovation coming out of Detroit these days.

and have you been inside a car plant now....state of the art and clean.....this aint your grandfathers assembly line ...