Will this Strike Kill Ford/Chevy/Chrysler?

[pbm]

Fain is working for his people. If the Big 2.5 CEOs, who make millions of dollars, are butt hurt by being talked to rudely they can quit and work the service desk at Walmart or something. THEY are replaceable, possibly more easily, LOL.

The UAW workers are also 'replaceable'. There are millions of recently arrived 'immigrants' who would gladly do their job for a lot less money. It would also save the taxpayers money that we are giving those 'immigrants'. It would also keep the steadily rising cost of autos down (actually trucks because that's all the Big 3 seem to make anymore).

PS: A few years ago a co-worker told me about his friend who bought a new pickup truck (GM IIRC) which had a rattle that the dealer couldn't find. After several trips to the dealer over this noise they finally found the culprit....a 'SNAPPLE' bottle was left in the door at the factory and covered by the door panel. I guess it could of been worse....it could have been a beer bottle. The UAW worker that left that bottle there had a lot of pride in their product....not.

 

[ammolab]

Cut the VA benefits. OOPS I hear the war veterans wailing again

Just those of us made $72 a month for sure. …

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Will this Strike Kill Ford/Chevy/Chrysler?.....can only imagine.

Better chance it kills the Union.
If I had to pick one that DIES here, it's the UAW.

My opinion?.....nobody dies here.

 

[mrsilv04]

Remember most of the people who assemble cars there live paycheck to paycheck.

Send them Dave Ramsey's way. He never has a shortage of people who have 2 - $800 a month car payments... who are stumped as to why they they're in constant debt.

 

[64bawagon]

Send them Dave Ramsey's way. He never has a shortage of people who have 2 - $800 a month car payments... who are stumped as to why they they're in constant debt.

Right, although I dont agree with everything D.R. says, he is a millionaire and I am not.
Its not usually an income problem versus a societal/cultural problem. When the public sees the Government spending Trillions of dollars we dont have then they figure why not. I came from very frugal parents and I have still paid plenty of "stupid taxes" but I have always hustled to fix my own mistakes.

 

[Hermann]

Here in KC if they want higher paying jobs, most factories in my area are starting at $20+ an hour. Prison guards at Lansing correctional facility, start at $26 an hour with instant benefits and a decent raise after the probationary period. Often you are making parts for F-150 around here. There is a facility 10 miles north of the factory that makes 100.000's of seats each year for the F-150's. They start at $22.61 and people who stay get COLA+ raises. Know several who work there.

 

[hrv]

Right, although I dont agree with everything D.R. says, he is a millionaire and I am not.
Its not usually an income problem versus a societal/cultural problem. When the public sees the Government spending Trillions of dollars we dont have then they figure why not. I came from very frugal parents and I have still paid plenty of "stupid taxes" but I have always hustled to fix my own mistakes.

He is a millionaire now.....but before that he was broke and bankrupt...and got out of the deep hole that he was in...

 

[Pablo]

Awhile back.

I just watched a relatively newer DR video. He's really aged.

I haven't

 

[Torrid]

Better chance it kills the Union.
If I had to pick one that DIES here, it's the UAW.

My opinion?.....nobody dies here.

Yeah, it's killing no one. This is just the usual part of the process. They'll find a deal and it'll all go back to normal.

 

[Wingo]

Not really anti-union but these guys are out of control with their 32 hour work week and big raises. They already have the best healthcare in America except for US Congressmen and Representatives. Mr. Fain reminds me of a IRA terrorist and a grade school bully. No respect for anyone who acts like he does. I know he is being paid to act this way, but nice gets you respect.

Unions really need to read the temperature in the room once in a while. I remember when Hostess bakers union went on strike. The company was being held together by strings and they just ended up shutting down completely, and they all lost their jobs.

 

[Torrid]

Unions really need to read the temperature in the room once in a while. I remember when Hostess bakers union went on strike. The company was being held together by strings and they just ended up shutting down completely, and they all lost their jobs.

Actions have consequences, but historically it got the job done.

 

[fdcg27]

What remains of the indigenous US car industry is hanging on by a thread right now. It is but a fragment of its former self.
Decades of poor product planning, lackluster products and poor assembly quality and vehicle durability are what brought the industry to its knees, not the UAW.
Sixty years ago, GM owned half of the US market, for example. Today, GM commands less than 20% of it. How a company fritters away a commanding position to one of being merely one player among many escapes me.
The old GM was largely vertically integrated while the current GM operates at the mercy of a worldwide web of suppliers. The old GM had the lowest finished vehicle costs in the industry, while the same cannot be said of the GM of today.
My point is that these companies as a group have gone from great to mediocre at best over the years and one can hardly blame the UAW for what are by definition management failures.

 

[4WD]

Correlation does not equal causation. Furthermore, the income disparity is directly tied to other causes.

Well, not to mention what vehicles you had on the road in the 50’s and 60’s - not many from Kia …

 

[Dave Hess]

Hopefully they come to an agreement soon and people go back to work.

 

[tblt44]

If the strike kills them won't those people be upset when there working at walmart in order to eat.
40% or what ever and 32 hr work week ridiculous demands.
How about 10-20% to keep up with inflation

 

[Elkins45]

What remains of the indigenous US car industry is hanging on by a thread right now. It is but a fragment of its former self.
Decades of poor product planning, lackluster products and poor assembly quality and vehicle durability are what brought the industry to its knees, not the UAW.
Sixty years ago, GM owned half of the US market, for example. Today, GM commands less than 20% of it. How a company fritters away a commanding position to one of being merely one player among many escapes me.
The old GM was largely vertically integrated while the current GM operates at the mercy of a worldwide web of suppliers. The old GM had the lowest finished vehicle costs in the industry, while the same cannot be said of the GM of today.
My point is that these companies as a group have gone from great to mediocre at best over the years and one can hardly blame the UAW for what are by definition management failures.

As the Russian Politburo chief said in Red October, “There’s plenty of blame to go around.”

In the quest for maximum profit the executives mandated the design engineers use the cheapest possible materials and the production engineers use the fastest assembly methods. And the workers slopped through it with minimum care because their jobs were protected no matter how drunk/high/lazy they were.

I don’t know the precise ratio but the blame for the demise of the US auto industry can be laid at the feet of both management and the workers. They sunk the ship together.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Cut the VA benefits. OOPS I hear the war veterans wailing again

Since you obviously don’t stand behind our troops nor honor their sacrifices, it’s too bad you can’t be forced to stand in front of them. Whether you agree or not with the orders they were given is irrelevant; take that up with the politicians who ordered them there. The fact those veterans VOLUNTEERED to sacrifice their lives if called upon to protect your way of life is paramount.

If you haven’t served, you probably don’t realize that troops have been exposed to toxins and bodily hazards from both “friend” and foe. Until you’ve made the same sacrifice, you can have your opinion but it carries little weight. In many cases military disability is even less than a civilian can get from SSA disability from slipping and injuring their back at work… are you complaining about them as well?

Same goes for police, firefighters, and other first responders’ service-connected disabilities & pensions. Have an appreciation for the sacrifice before you try to say that a meager financial stipend is more important than their loss of life or permanent injury.

 

[Number_35]

PS: A few years ago a co-worker told me about his friend who bought a new pickup truck (GM IIRC) which had a rattle that the dealer couldn't find. After several trips to the dealer over this noise they finally found the culprit....a 'SNAPPLE' bottle was left in the door at the factory and covered by the door panel. I guess it could of been worse....it could have been a beer bottle. The UAW worker that left that bottle there had a lot of pride in their product....not.

I first heard of this when reading Arthur Hailey's potboiler "Wheels" many years ago.

I wonder whether the incident in the book was based on a real event, and how many copycat occurences have taken place since the book was published.

 

[UG_Passat]

Within 5 years there will be a union at Tesla. Maybe not the UAW…. but there will be a union.

Elon won’t be happy when California and Texas assembly lines shut down for 2 months.

That’s the problem. UAW has the monopoly for auto workers. Also the strikes are in non-right to work states, where joining the union is a condition of employment, and there’s not alternate union to join

If Tesla workers unionize on their own, the UAW will be knocking on their door to absorb them

 

[HouseTiger]

In an ideal world, one would not need labor unions. The robber barons of the 19th Century (Carnegie, J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller, Ford, etc) created the necessity for unions in the first place. The auto corporations have morphed into monsters who are beholden to bankers on Wall Street who are only out for the buck . . . and the union bosses are right there with them.

Why can Toyota, Nissan, KIA and Hyundai sell a product that has better fit and finish, runs better, and lasts longer than what the Detroit Three put out . . . the devil is in the details of corporate mismanagement, design incompetence, and compounded by union greed. I have maintained for years that those who design automobiles (particularly the engine and drive train) should have to work in the service garages for the same amount of time they spend creating the monsters they put on the road.

Sorry to all the union folks, but the labor unions as they currently are have long outlived their usefulness. The percentage of robotics in the auto industry today compared with the 1960s - really up through the 1990s - is about the only thing keeping the auto industry afloat. Robots don't need unions, retirement, pensions, medical, or lunch breaks.