Will this Strike Kill Ford/Chevy/Chrysler?

[tnt_motorsports]

I’m all for wage increases and a decent living but I think this group is asking for too much in a time when it will backfire on them. Let me clarify. I foresee a direct correlation between the percentage increase that the UAW settles for and a reduction of wage labor. I’ve seen this happen at other companies that had similar situations. If the union settles for 30-40% wage increases except a 30-40% reduction in wage labor. Automation and robots don’t call in sick, have attitude or refuse to do what they are asked.

In the end no one wins during a strike.

Just my $0.02

 

[Skippy722]

Replace those workers with robots That can’t get RSI.

OOPS! I hear the unions wailing again!

Robots are great…. Until they’re not. Then they’re a royal PITA to fix.

Yeah, the union demands are a bit much, but they always settle somewhere in the middle anyway. Good on them IMO. I’m sick of hearing companies boast about their grossly overpaid CEO’s and stock buybacks, only to turn around and push back hard against any kind of additional compensation or quality of life improvements for the employees who make the actual products.

 

[Astro14]

Can only imagine.

No. They will survive.

 

[oldhp]

Nobody remembers what the UAW gave up in 2007'ish to help ALL the car makers out. These demands want to get back what the Big 3 promised to do, but didn't. On average BILLION $$$$$$ profits first quarter for the Big 3. That's a lot of money folks.

 

[dishdude]

Record profits over the last few years for manufacturers, dealers and everyone involved...but the folks assembling them are expected to make peanuts. How is that reasonable?

 

[nickaluch]

Replace those workers with robots That can’t get RSI.

OOPS! I hear the unions wailing again!

Cut the VA benefits. OOPS I hear the war veterans wailing again

 

[dogememe]

Record profits over the last few years for manufacturers, dealers and everyone involved...but the folks assembling them are expected to make peanuts. How is that reasonable? $40k+ for a Corolla Cross but the people putting it together are making 1
$19/hr.

But isn't that any job? I make ~$23/hr in a high cost of living area while the store brings in millions every year and our stocks are doing great! My solution to this is learning a different career online on my time off and hopefully doing that in the next year or so. Do I think I should get paid more? Of course! But if I am willing to show up for $23 why pay $25? $30? Who really determines what a reasonable or acceptable wage is?

 

[dishdude]

But isn't that any job? I make ~$23/hr in a high cost of living area while the store brings in millions every year and our stocks are doing great! My solution to this is learning a different career online on my time off and hopefully doing that in the next year or so. Do I think I should get paid more? Of course! But if I am willing to show up for $23 why pay $25? $30? Who really determines what a reasonable or acceptable wage is?

That's where collective bargaining comes in.

 

[Pablo]

That's where collective bargaining comes in.

Bargaining?

They are on STRIKE

 

[dogememe]

That's where collective bargaining comes in.

But at the end of the day it's my fault I work there, right? Like... when I transition careers to something that pays better, I will make more money, and someone else will take over my job?

 

[dishdude]

But at the end of the day it's my fault I work there, right? Like... when I transition careers to something that pays better, I will make more money, and someone else will take over my job?

Not if you band together and negotiate together.

 

[CKN]

No. They will survive.

The costs will be passed on to the buyers-new vehcile prices will go up-used vehciles will follow. BITOGers will complain about the $10,000.00 beaters.

Life's a circle.....

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Fixed that for you

And when the Big 2.5 decide to become non-domestic automakers and offshore everything because they can’t make a profit with subpar offerings while paying king’s wages here, is that a win for the unions also?

I don’t really care either way, just as long as neither unions nor automakers get taxpayer money as “bailouts” that then get written down to soak everyone else.

 

[Cujet]

its humorous to me to note that when the American Middle Class ( 1950's into the 60's) was most successful, union membership was at its highest.

Correlation does not equal causation. Furthermore, the income disparity is directly tied to other causes.

 

[hrv]

Record profits over the last few years for manufacturers, dealers and everyone involved...but the folks assembling them are expected to make peanuts. How is that reasonable?

Peanuts you say.... I bet there are a ton of people out there that would just love getting a job on the line with the benefits and work for what you call peanuts...

 

[64bawagon]

The UAW has a seat at the table when most if not all decisions get made at the plant level, some would argue too big of a seat. I know of meetings that were attended 5 to 1 with people from the UAW outnumbering GM managers. I think in a lot of cases the UAW are the inmates running the asylum. Their inflexible stances already costs GM a lot of money.

 

[willbur]

Not really anti-union but these guys are out of control with their 32 hour work week and big raises. They already have the best healthcare in America except for US Congressmen and Representatives. Mr. Fain reminds me of a IRA terrorist and a grade school bully. No respect for anyone who acts like he does. I know he is being paid to act this way, but nice gets you respect.

Yeah- My Dad used to say courtesy is free but accomplishes alot

 

[willbur]

its humorous to me to note that when the American Middle Class ( 1950's into the 60's) was most successful, union membership was at its highest.
Back then the average CEO's pay was about 30 times what the average employees salary was.
Nowadays the average CEO's compensation is about 400 times what the average employee's wage is..

Aggregated CEO-to-worker compensation ratio for the 350 largest publicly owned companies in the United States from 1965 to 2021
https://www.statista.com/statistics... that, on average,key industry of their firm.

Nightly news said it was 362x

 

[skyactiv]

I would like to know the actual wages and benefits and what the tier system involves.

 

[Kruse]

Meh, let them strike. A prolonged strike is just a little speed bump that is soon forgotten.
10+ years ago, the people who worked for the Hostess junk food company, all 18,500 of them, went on strike and their life is
much better now.
Oh, wait.........